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Are The Greens Going To Be The Ukip Of The Left?

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I hope not, we don't want to split the anti LibLabCon vote.

There's nothing to be split, the soft left voters going over to the Greens were never going to vote UKIP anyway.

Plus this way anti-LibLabCon voters get a choice, if they want a pro-City of London party they can vote UKIP, if they want an anti-City of London party they can vote Green.

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(HPC, really needs a thumbs up or like button!)

thought the same myself

oh................ +1 too

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Greens will likely get my vote. Monetary reform is why.

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UKIP solution to the current economic problems - leave the EU

Green solution to the current economic problems - monetary reform, basic income, LVT

The Green solution seems like the one that might actually work.

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One of the biggest problems with the UK is it's decrepit fptp voting system. It's high time with the balkanisation of this country, a PR system is implemented.

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One of the biggest problems with the UK is it's decrepit fptp voting system. It's high time with the balkanisation of this country, a PR system is implemented.

Yes, the tribal Labour and tribal Tory voters have had their fun for long enough, time to hand some power over to people who are awake.

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UKIP solution to the current economic problems - leave the EU

Green solution to the current economic problems - monetary reform, basic income, LVT

The Green solution seems like the one that might actually work.

I'd probably vote to leave the EU too, if a referendum ever occurs. It's a shame my local Greens make little mention of their unique monetary policies. They seem to be doing well nationally at present, doubtless LibDem woes are partly behind it. If they can poll upper single digits it would be a decent result, especially if they beat the LDs nationally. A big ask but not totally fanciful imo. Edited by Joan of The Tower

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Thoughtful, considered, positive, sustainable, inclusive forward looking policies

or Farage and his Sun reading england flag waving white van man.

Not really a comparison is it.

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One of the biggest problems with the UK is it's decrepit fptp voting system. It's high time with the balkanisation of this country, a PR system is implemented.

Didn't we have a vote on that not so long ago? "We" said no.

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No, and what is barely mentioned, because it's so seismic, is that Labour only just held off UKIP in Heywood and Middleton by only 600 votes. The upshot of which is, that in a northern seat, thousands of previously Labour supporting voters migrated to UKIP.

It's, in my view, deliberately excluded from the national media narrative where the focus is on, allegedly right wing Tory voters, migrating to UKIP.

It doesn't really bother me but, if you are some sort of weirdo, that despite the years of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, that still believes anything can be changed at the ballot box, if you aren't keen on UKIP you ought to get out there campaigning for your preferred choice of gob on a stick.

In truth, although the media daren't even whisper it, if such swings from Labour to UKIP are possible, and Heywood proves they are, not only is a UKIP coalition on the cards but a UKIP majority is not outside the realms of possibility.

The election will boil down to just how many voters will return, like pathetic battered wives, to the parties, they privately no longer love or respect, just in order to keep UKIP out.

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Didn't we have a vote on that not so long ago? "We" said no.

AV is just FPTP with a twist, it has nothing to do with PR.

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UKIP solution to the current economic problems - leave the EU

Green solution to the current economic problems - monetary reform, basic income, LVT

The Green solution seems like the one that might actually work.

Yes, Greens for me too. For the reasons stated above plus they're not racist/homophobic bigoted cretins like so many in UKIP

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Yes, Greens for me too. For the reasons stated above plus they're not racist/homophobic bigoted cretins like so many in UKIP

What is wrong with accepting peoples opinion or debating it without having to resort to insults.

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What is wrong with accepting peoples opinion or debating it without having to resort to insults.

Because lefties are special people

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Because lefties are special people

lol

I have no problem with the Greens but they need to work this one out-

Who are they up against apart from LIBLABCON? A beer drinking smoker with (some might say) a bunch of misfits...... but they are still getting less votes..... go figure, more work required

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You don't want to split the vote.

How about moving all the ukip propaganda to the politics sub-forum, it's just getting annoying.

Probably Green for me too...I think they'll end up splitting the Lib Dem vote rather than Labour...A lot of left wing Labourites are staunch supporters, and would still vote for them, even if the potential MP was a Badger, rather than moving over to the Greens..

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I don't like their cannabis policy.

Whose? UKIP's or the Green's? Farage is apparently in favour of decriminalisation.

Voting UKIP is tempting because Farage himself talks so much sense, but:

  • They have firmly positioned themselves as the ultra-NIMBY party.
  • Their policy on gay marriage is designed to appeal to bitter old homophobes, and many of their candidates hold strange views on it (causing floods etc).
  • Apart from Farage, the party consists of people who are either a bit mad, or ultra-Tories who have defected because Cameron doesn't look right-wing enough.

So there are now four right-wing parties in the UK - the blue privatisers, the yellow Orange Book neo-liberals, the red client-state warmongers, and the purple isolationists. All of them farther right than Major.

If only Labour hadn't triangulated away their soul and had had the courage to swing politics back to the left. If only Gordon Brown wasn't such a fool and hadn't bankrupted the country during the boom years. If only David Davis had beat Cameron. If only Osborne had some principles and had actually grasped the house price nettle rather than trying to bribe existing homeowners with free debt.

I cannot forgive the Lib Dems their betrayal. I don't want to live in Labour's police state, standing in line for my tax credit giro. I don't agree with the Conservatives' privatisation agenda and socialism for the rich. And UKIP are lining up to serve the interests of bitter old people who think that England should be like a Miss Marple novel.

Unless you're lucky enough to live in Scotland, the Greens are the best option. And if you go look at their policies and listen to what they're saying, it's surprisingly sensible. Dismissing them as a bunch of spaced-out yogic flyers is intellectually lazy. They have coherent policies on housing, on the EU (not automatically in favour!), on energy, and on and on and on.

People might dismiss renewables as impractical but over the last 30 years the UK has effectively traded away its energy security and is now hostage to Russian gas. We built the first civilian nuclear reactor in the 50s, but that expertise was allowed to die, and the new nuclear deal is not only yet another example of the public purse being used to guarantee massive private profits, but we also had to go cap in hand to the French and the Chinese to build the power stations for us. The government's strategy for preventing brownouts is smart meters. Coal mining was shut down, and they're desperate for fracking to fill the fossil fuel gap. The recent discoveries in the North Sea and the Scottish No must have been like winning the lottery - a 'get out of jail free' card for the next decade or so.

If our electricity needs were provided by the sun and the wind and the tide, and demand fluctuations met by energy storage, then we'd not only be greener but also in a much stronger position geopolitically.

Edited by irrationalactor

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