TheCountOfNowhere Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30173238 " Terrorism laws: 'Time is right' for new police powers"http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/23/theresa-may-moves-to-give-police-powers-to-identify-internet-users Theresa May moves to give police powers to identify internet usersI can't find the link to an article about how desperate government use the threat of terrorism to keep the proles in their place. How long until it becomes subversive to speak out against the government on the internet ? All VERY worrying me thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hectors House Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Subversion hasn't been investigated since the Berlin Wall came down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest UK Debt Slave Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30173238 "Terrorism laws: 'Time is right' for new police powers"http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/23/theresa-may-moves-to-give-police-powers-to-identify-internet-usersTheresa May moves to give police powers to identify internet usersI can't find the link to an article about how desperate government use the threat of terrorism to keep the proles in their place. How long until it becomes subversive to speak out against the government on the internet ? All VERY worrying me thinks. That's exactly what will happen The subversives are the politicians themselves, and unelected think tanks like the Fabian Society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted November 24, 2014 Author Share Posted November 24, 2014 That's exactly what will happen The subversives are the politicians themselves, and unelected think tanks like the Fabian Society. Everyone would like to think not but it really is starting to head towards a police state. You can;t say boo to a goose now without being accused of being something or other. TPTB must hate the internet, it allows people to communicate freely and realise that they are being shafted. We don't need this sort of nonsense, we need a decent government sorting out the country. I really do fear for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Surely, post-Snowden, the Westminster gang is merely seeking to legitimise the total surveillance powers we know them to possess already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted November 24, 2014 Author Share Posted November 24, 2014 Surely, post-Snowden, the Westminster gang is merely seeking to legitimise the total surveillance powers we know them to possess already? That is a fair point, I dont think for one minute TPTB wouldn't just do what the ***k the like to maintain their position of privilege. The threat of terrorism has been used through the ages to keep the proles in touch. Again, people might not have realised that before the internet. I dont mind being taxed and some sort of government over-seeing the management of the country and it's infrastructure but they really have gone too far in the last 20 years. Ask yourself...is it going to get any better ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkG Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 After losing yet another seat to UKIP, you'd think the Tories might try not being obnoxious shits for a while. But, no, clearly they're too stupid even to stop when their jobs are on the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest UK Debt Slave Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 After losing yet another seat to UKIP, you'd think the Tories might try not being obnoxious shits for a while. But, no, clearly they're too stupid even to stop when their jobs are on the line. I think with the rise of UKIP and the failure of the main parties to maintain the pretence of democracy, we are approaching that rubicon where TPTB just abandon any pretence that we live in a free democratic society altogether and start throwing people in prison (or worse) They won't go quietly. If UKIP continues to threaten the status quo, they will act to stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifes a game Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I for one feel much safer knowing the police have machine guns, lets just hope the terrorist don't decide to become police men >_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted November 24, 2014 Author Share Posted November 24, 2014 I for one feel much safer knowing the police have machine guns, lets just hope the terrorist don't decide to become police men >_< I've never been threatened by a terrorist before. I've been told we are all being threatened though. I've even heard some of the terrorists are amongst the immigrants that the 60-70% of my income that is taken off me is used to pay for. As I said, the internet has allowed people to communicate, to realise/agree how disgruntled they are with the system, to point out the games they play, etc. I do not expect the internet in it's present form will last much longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renting til I die Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 If UKIP continues to threaten the status quo, they will act to stop it. Or move to take it over... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkG Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Or move to take it over... You're assuming they already haven't. Personally, I doubt the UKIP would really make much difference if elected, but, if they destroyed both the Labour and Tory parties in the process, it would still be a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted November 24, 2014 Author Share Posted November 24, 2014 You're assuming they already haven't. Personally, I doubt the UKIP would really make much difference if elected, but, if they destroyed both the Labour and Tory parties in the process, it would still be a win. I am certain that UKIP as an elected government would not be any better or worse than what we have seen for the last 20 years. They only think it does is show the establishment the sheeple have woken up and their ponzi-noimics are on shaky ground, Take away the immigration and the UK debt bubble collapses tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormymonday_2011 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Excuse my scepticism but how are ISPs etc going to know who is using a particular computer. It might not be the owner of the broadband service through which the user is accessing the internet, particularly in areas of public wifi. Not all IP addresses are statically allocated and even where they are they like MAC addresses can be easily spoofed. Short of rewriting the internet from scratch (beyond even the totalitarian fantasies of HMG) it ain't going to catch serious terrorists or criminals who are also going to be using high end encryption. In that respect it is only going to be useful for spying on idiots who swap from Facebook to jihadists.com on their home broadband. It would, however, allow the government to indulge in mass profiling of the ordinary population which one suspects is what this is really about as what really terrifies the establishment is that the mass of British people don't appear to be swallowing their lies as readily as they once did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I think the main use for this is blackmail IMPO - everyone at some point has looked at porn online or visited all sorts of bizarre websites... such as HPC... so, in future, if anyone has any political ambitions, is an investigative journo, etc, etc, and/or is critical of the powers that be TPTB can have a friendly word in their ear to remind them that X years ago they looked at nakefatburds.com or lesbianlatinoloversofoldlondontown.net, etc, etc... and that it all could be leaked to the tabloids if you don't toe the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahBell Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Excuse my scepticism but how are ISPs Don't at least one of the networks offer you free wifi which works by piggybacking lots of other people's internet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Excuse my scepticism but how are ISPs etc going to know who is using a particular computer. It might not be the owner of the broadband service through which the user is accessing the internet, particularly in areas of public wifi. Not all IP addresses are statically allocated and even where they are they like MAC addresses can be easily spoofed.The ISPs presumably know which IP addresses they've given out and who they've given them to, even if they change. That'll be part of the record-keeping they'll impose. As for the specific computer and who is using it they'll no doubt just claim that you're responsible for what goes on on your connection, thus avoiding having to actually prove anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dances with sheeple Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I've never been threatened by a terrorist before. I've been told we are all being threatened though. I've even heard some of the terrorists are amongst the immigrants that the 60-70% of my income that is taken off me is used to pay for. As I said, the internet has allowed people to communicate, to realise/agree how disgruntled they are with the system, to point out the games they play, etc. I do not expect the internet in it's present form will last much longer. I've never been threatened by a terrorist before. I've been told we are all being threatened though. I've even heard some of the terrorists are amongst the immigrants that the 60-70% of my income that is taken off me is used to pay for. As I said, the internet has allowed people to communicate, to realise/agree how disgruntled they are with the system, to point out the games they play, etc. I do not expect the internet in it's present form will last much longer. Not sure the internet can be dismantled now, too many people know how to run an internet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted November 24, 2014 Author Share Posted November 24, 2014 Excuse my scepticism but how are ISPs etc going to know who is using a particular computer Probably make it the responsibly of the owner/buyer of the PC to know at all time who is using a particular computer. Anyone with google can find out how to avoid this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dances with sheeple Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I think the main use for this is blackmail IMPO - everyone at some point has looked at porn online or visited all sorts of bizarre websites... such as HPC... so, in future, if anyone has any political ambitions, is an investigative journo, etc, etc, and/or is critical of the powers that be TPTB can have a friendly word in their ear to remind them that X years ago they looked at nakefatburds.com or lesbianlatinoloversofoldlondontown.net, etc, etc... and that it all could be leaked to the tabloids if you don't toe the line. That is already being done, child porn no doubt planted on people`s computers etc. but you can`t control a population like that, you would have to go into full on China mode to stop people moving away from the established parties and the EU, and even China can`t make people borrow if they don`t want to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Serf Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I don't believe in all this terrorist stuff as I've seen parts of London grind to a halt due to a badly parked car, 4 hour delays on motorways because 1 lane is closed and explosives readily available to buy through out October. Thank god we are not up against the french resistance, it would be too easy to break our spirits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Drip, drip, drip. It's just wrong isn't it. The shriek of terrorism, when the real threat comes from those that govern us. Is it likely that 650 MPs will contrive to pass this so quickly and so undemocratically. 9/11 really was a game-changer, which is why in hindsight it looks either manufactured or opportune. Take yourself back to 2000, a new millennium and hope for the future and look at what we have. I think the internet is a wonderful this, true democracy, even revolutionary. Is this why it scares them so? Power should be a privilege. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Serf Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I don't believe in all this terrorist stuff as I've seen parts of London grind to a halt due to a badly parked car, 4 hour delays on motorways because 1 lane is closed and explosives readily available to buy through out October. Thank god we are not up against the french resistance, it would be too easy to break our spirits. Right after posting this I open another website but instead its "interupted" by virgin media asking if I want to enable parental controls. Never had that before. Am I now "on ze list" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R K Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Everyone would like to think not but it really is starting to head towards a police state. You can;t say boo to a goose now without being accused of being something or other. TPTB must hate the internet, it allows people to communicate freely and realise that they are being shafted. We don't need this sort of nonsense, we need a decent government sorting out the country. I really do fear for the future. Pessimist. Do you vote UKIP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtomsilver Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 The ISPs presumably know which IP addresses they've given out and who they've given them to, even if they change. That'll be part of the record-keeping they'll impose. As for the specific computer and who is using it they'll no doubt just claim that you're responsible for what goes on on your connection, thus avoiding having to actually prove anything. There was an article in one of the Sunday magazines quoting the £395,000 per annum female CEO of BBC finance?? trotting out the line that 75% of the population supported the way that they were funded and as technology has advanced from radio to TV and now TV to interweb when the charter comes up for renewal they plan to modernise the licence fee to catch all services sugar coating by decriminalised evasion. I guess then we'll all be forced to register the details of all our IP addresses into the BBC'S leaky database, ostensibly for compliance with the new fee. Not a single shot fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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