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A senior Labour MP has apologised over her tweeted picture of a house decked in two St George’s flags, after critics accused her of snobbery.

Emily Thornberry, the shadow attorney general, who represents Islington South & Finsbury, took the picture while out campaigning in the Rochester & Strood byelection.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/20/labour-mp-rochester-tweet-emily-thornberry

https://twitter.com/EmilyThornberry/status/535450556199075840/photo/1

Less interested in the politics of this story than in its reflection on what it reveals about metropolitan attitudes to the natives of the UK who live outside of London.

Now to me a house with a white van on the drive and bedecked with England and West Ham fans flags might seem a bit of a cliche but there was an England v Scotland friendly this week and for all the devaluation of modern football some people still regard the oldest international soccer fixture in the world as a significant event worth marking. Clearly, however, this point seems to have been missed by the Labour Shadow Attorney General who obviously felt she had been sent to engage with the inhabitants of Ultima Thule

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule

Moreover her inability to see the obvious is also reflected in the bewiderment of some of the Guardian posters who dont even recognise the irony that the hammer on the West Ham flag was once the symbol of the industrial proletariat, the very people the Labour Party was formed to represent.

This all happened not in one of the far flung Labour heartlands in the North East of England , Wales or Scotland but in Rochester a mere 27 miles from the Centre of London. As one Guardian poster pointed out for those who reside in the metropolis all maps of the UK need only mark the lands beyond the M25 with the words 'Here Be Dragons'

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She's resigned.

Not surprised.

An image is worth a thousand words and that one picture tells you more about the what modern Labour party and indeed our metropolitan poltical class think about ordinary working people than a hundred newspaper articles

As one sarcastic poster on the Guardian pointed out

A clear illustration of the kind of working class, white van owning type of people who are allowed to vote in elections these days.

Particularly notable that Emily is married to a well heeled judge, has a £3 million house near the Blairs and sends her kids to private school.

The wiki entry about her role in the allocation of social housing in Islington is also well worth a read

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_Thornberry

Not exactly Kier Hardie is she ?

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Its funny, there are literally zillions of people like this Dan the white van man chap...he didnt even know there is a by election today.

At the moment UKIP is getting OAP votes, and yet Dan tWVM and his cohort could bolster UKIPs vote massively...if they actually bothered to vote. Most builders/mechanics etc I know (vaguely) down the pub simply dont vote.

Look at his profile. He even wants John Gaunt for PM! He's a turnkey UKIP voter!

http://profileengine.com/people/wareo/dan.ware.

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Its funny, there are literally zillions of people like this Dan the white van man chap...he didnt even know there is a by election today.

At the moment UKIP is getting OAP votes, and yet Dan tWVM and his cohort could bolster UKIPs vote massively...if they actually bothered to vote. Most builders/mechanics etc I know (vaguely) down the pub simply dont vote.

Look at his profile. He even wants John Gaunt for PM! He's a turnkey UKIP voter!

http://profileengine.com/people/wareo/dan.ware.

Zillions? Most eligible voters do vote.

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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/20/labour-mp-rochester-tweet-emily-thornberry

https://twitter.com/EmilyThornberry/status/535450556199075840/photo/1

Less interested in the politics of this story than in its reflection on what it reveals about metropolitan attitudes to the natives of the UK who live outside of London.

Now to me a house with a white van on the drive and bedecked with England and West Ham fans flags might seem a bit of a cliche but there was an England v Scotland friendly this week and for all the devaluation of modern football some people still regard the oldest international soccer fixture in the world as a significant event worth marking. Clearly, however, this point seems to have been missed by the Labour Shadow Attorney General who obviously felt she had been sent to engage with the inhabitants of Ultima Thule

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule

Moreover her inability to see the obvious is also reflected in the bewiderment of some of the Guardian posters who dont even recognise the irony that the hammer on the West Ham flag was once the symbol of the industrial proletariat, the very people the Labour Party was formed to represent.

This all happened not in one of the far flung Labour heartlands in the North East of England , Wales or Scotland but in Rochester a mere 27 miles from the Centre of London. As one Guardian poster pointed out for those who reside in the metropolis all maps of the UK need only mark the lands beyond the M25 with the words 'Here Be Dragons'

She never made any comment originally, just took a photo and posted it. Why is that bad?

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She never made any comment originally, just took a photo and posted it. Why is that bad?

Because the one shortly after:

  1. I apologise for any offence caused by the 3 flag picture. People should fly the England flag with pride!

  2. Tales/images from Rochester > "Vote for REAL looney party"

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It is reminiscent of Gordon Brown's #bigot moment.

It demonstrates the complete contempt they have for the voters, yes they are nice enough for a while every 4 or 5 years, but they really do hate those who are below them. You see it with all the laws they churn out and the decision they take regardless of impact or concern. They are a world apart, simply not working in the interest of the many.

I see little difference between any of LibLabCon; maybe Labour have a little less self-control, due to their affected arrogance.

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She never made any comment originally, just took a photo and posted it. Why is that bad?

Well that begs the question why post the picture on Twitter at all if it was so unremarkable ? England flags on houses were hardly a rarity this year because of the World Cup and the West Ham crest on one of them shows they were put up by someone who presumably is a football fan. As one international football campaign now runs into another it is not surprising that some people have them up all the time. You would see exactly the same thing with Saltires in Scotland

The mere act of the Shadow Attorney General taking the picture in the middle of a by election campaign and then slapping it on the internet was obviously going to leave it open to interpration by others. As she is a politician the photo was obviously going to be seen as having a political meaning. To suggest otherwise is simply being disingenuous.

As it was the whole thing backfired particularly as it appears the bloke who lived in the house had not even voted in the by-election.

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I like the photoshop recreations. I think politicians think we all wallow in the mud and go around by horse and cart to be honest.

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I like the photoshop recreations. I think politicians think we all wallow in the mud and go around by horse and cart to be honest.

They do on Fitton Hill. Well the horse and cart anyway.

Round here it's just mud.

We have two flags flown on our street all the time. One by a racist and the other by someone who was in the army.

Come football season the street is full of union jacks.

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She's revealed her contempt for the proletariat that all politicians claim to represent.

Well done her for her honesty now she can stay out of politics for ever.

Now is this a Labour thing or wider; the approach of politicians ("we know better than you what's good for you") over the majority's desire for EU exit and bringing back the death penalty would suggest wider?

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Manna from heaven for the Milibot. Metro elite multi millionaire intellectual snob seen to be siding with Essex man...well in this case Kent man.

Sure this wasn't a stitch up between that woman and the Milibot. Can you do an offesive tweet so I can look good.

It's Milibot's best PR stunt ever.

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Labour party is due for a split soon.

Basically no one asks any questions while they are doing all right.

But now people aren't they are starting to ask questions about whether labour does actually represent the working class, or the champagne socialist middle classes.

Soon there is going to be an emergence of a new power, the left wing version of UKIP.

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Labour party is due for a split soon.

Basically no one asks any questions while they are doing all right.

But now people aren't they are starting to ask questions about whether labour does actually represent the working class, or the champagne socialist middle classes.

Soon there is going to be an emergence of a new power, the left wing version of UKIP.

Spot on.

Probably led by Andy Burnham.

I just see it as a north/south split.

And to think Ed is Unites man.

What a ******ing shambles.

I see and hear people saying that we're all falling over ourselves to be offended by the Tweet.

But those same people need to have a serious word with themselves if they choose to see things like that.

It was bloody obvious what she was trying to convey.

I'm not even offended, i just find it hilarious that she's so out of touch and up herself that she coudn't see the problem.

Good riddance to this champagne rubbish.

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Spot on.

Probably led by Andy Burnham.

I just see it as a north/south split.

And to think Ed is Unites man.

What a ******ing shambles.

I see and hear people saying that we're all falling over ourselves to be offended by the Tweet.

But those same people need to have a serious word with themselves if they choose to see things like that.

It was bloody obvious what she was trying to convey.

I'm not even offended, i just find it hilarious that she's so out of touch and up herself that she coudn't see the problem.

Good riddance to this champagne rubbish.

I recall Jeremy Hardy, man of the people, sneering on The News Quiz that during the world cup some council estates looked like loyalist estates.

Whereas had there been a section flying (say) Nigerian flags he woudl have been applauding it.

Man of the people but only those of which he approves.

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Labour party is due for a split soon.

Basically no one asks any questions while they are doing all right.

But now people aren't they are starting to ask questions about whether labour does actually represent the working class, or the champagne socialist middle classes.

Soon there is going to be an emergence of a new power, the left wing version of UKIP.

I thought that was the Respect party?

Anyway she's a ghastly woman who has lived a live of privilege yet tries to portray an image of herself as bring brought up by a single mum on a council estate; ffs her Mum was a Labour Mayor and her dad an Assistant Secretary General of the UN & a History Professor at Kings College!

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I thought that was the Respect party?

Anyway she's a ghastly woman who has lived a live of privilege yet tries to portray an image of herself as bring brought up by a single mum on a council estate; ffs her Mum was a Labour Mayor and her dad an Assistant Secretary General of the UN & a History Professor at Kings College!

I recall Jeremy Hardy, man of the people, sneering on The News Quiz that during the world cup some council estates looked like loyalist estates.

Whereas had there been a section flying (say) Nigerian flags he woudl have been applauding it.

Man of the people but only those of which he approves.

That's about right. Jeremy Hardy.....ugh...

I'll admit i'm not overly enamoured of the flags, but that's more to do with my current disaffection with modern footballers and the England team, not the sentiment per se. I find it hard to get revved up to that extent over football.

Also, I do not ponce about claiming to represent the working class in Parliament.

I love the fact that her mask slipped.

The fact that Miliband has to come on the media and reaffirm Labours reason for existing says it all.

The game is up for this version of Labour.

But i would STILL like them to win the election.

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I haven't commented on this yet which is a bit unlike me.

I'm just so flabberghasted.

They are just ramming down people's throats now that the working classes have no representation and it's no wonder they are drifting towards the national socialists of Salmond and Farage.

EDIT: I say 'national socialist' purely because they are clearly not part of the international capitalist conspiracy/race to the bottom of the right nor the international socialists of the left. They are basically for a degree of separation to allow better living conditions for native populations - capitalism, but with a degree of socialism of a Bismarck and is the bedrock of German culture even today - one that is designed to be superior to outside nations but one that requires those outside nations' acquiescence to be gamed. (although I could be wrong here and Farage is really for an end to all forms of socialism and wants really to return to the freewheeling maverick state based on piracy without the shackles of the EU).

This is pretty much what I have been thinking for some time.

Farage originally founded UKIP for discontented Tories but was surprised when he started polling that there were so many Labour voters who thought their party had simply abandoned them in favour of multi cultural; 'issues' based politics. Moreover, what he also found was that while many Labour voters may want elements of economic socialism they dont necessarily buy into the social liberalism of the Guardian reading middle classes who have latched onto their party. The Tories have the same problem. Many of their voters like bits of economic liberalism but are not social liberals either. In Scotland Salmond and the SNP has found the idea of 'socialism in one country' as Stalin described it can be a winning ticket. Because Scots themselves are minority group in the UK they manage to contsruct a nationalist and socialist agenda without getting tagged as closet Nazis which has always been the accusation unfairly flung at UKIP. Nationalists and social conservatives are both potentially big voting constituencies in the UK As a result both Tories and Labour find themselves in the position with a product that people longer want to buy.

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I see and hear people saying that we're all falling over ourselves to be offended by the Tweet.

But those same people need to have a serious word with themselves if they choose to see things like that.

It was bloody obvious what she was trying to convey.

I'm not even offended, i just find it hilarious that she's so out of touch and up herself that she coudn't see the problem.

Good riddance to this champagne rubbish.

A case of the biter bit for the Guardianista PC brigade.

Did n' t they realise that the outrage bus would sooner or latter pull up at their door.

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