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It Was Alright In The 70S - Ch4

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Surprised there's not a thread on this already. Did anyone see this show last night? It was basically a 're-education' show where they tried to reapply the standards of today's PC culture to the 70s and say it was all wrong back then.

The worst bit was the last 15 minutes where they equated 'The Likely Lads' fantasising about being the head of an all girls school to paedophilia and not very subtly alluded to this being the sort of thing (never convicted of anything) Jimmy Saville and his Yewtree buddies would have liked. There was a similar clip from a show staring Arthur Lowe about doctors where the male doctor goes to a girls' school and the girls come on to him and even take their tops off. This was a bit more dubious but it looked like the actresses were over 18 (and it was a sitcom!).

A lot of it was about the 'subjugation' of women. I must admit to having a bit of a 'blind spot' on this one, some of the stuff was a bit ridiculous but I didn't find it offensive as such. Do women find this type of stuff (beauty pageants, modelling stuff like they did on old gameshows) genuinely offensive? Wouldn't mind hearing from our female contributors on this.

The only bits that seemed really 'off colour' were Wendy Craig fantasising about being rpaed (and saying so) in 'Butterflies' and a shampoo commercial where the actress seemed to be looking forward to being raped by a viking.

I'm boycotting any future shows featuring any of the imbiciles in this show, particularly the chronically unfunny Shappi Khorsandi (to be fair I already avoid her when possible). The only one who came out with any credit was David Baddiel who, in his only contribution, said something along the lines of, 'The makers of the TV shows at the time were aware people were talking about sex but weren't part of that culture so got its depiction wrong in their shows'.

Needless to say I won't be watching next week. If you feel like a bit of a rage watch the last 15 minutes on 4od (registration annoyingly required).

Rant over!

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Agreed - I was born in 1965 and sat down to what I thought would be an easy-going hour of nostalgia featuring the TV of my childhood. How wrong I was.

"I love the 70s" this most certainly was not, and I'd happily watch that show - without Jimmy Savile being edited out - rather than tune-in to any more of this PC shite.

Applying current standards to any era in human history is a completely pointless exercise, and their version of the 70s is not as I experienced it.

But then what would I know...? Unlike half of the talking-heads and presumably the production people, I was actually there...

XYY

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Standard left wing historical revisionism, they can all go f*ck themselves as far as I'm concerned. The 70s were sh1t mind you, but mainly for reasons the kind of tw4ts that work in TV don't want to discuss because it doesn't match their 'evil Tories' world view.

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That bit with the teenage schoolgirls all lusting after the 20something doctor as he walked across the schoolyard is exactly what happens in schools to this day. Sting even wrote a song about it:

Do the programme-makers want us all to pretend that women only acquire a sex drive on their 18th birthday? And that heterosexual men don't feel attracted to teenage girls when they acquire secondary sex characteristics? We all know that both of these things aren't true, it doesn't seem particularly healthy to pretend that these feelings don't exist.

There was no suggestion from any of the older male characters in the sitcom that they were going to do anything, and actually the 20something doctor seemed quite uncomfortable and embarrassed by being lusted after. I'm sure many male secondary school teachers will recognise that.

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Benny Hill was a saint in the 70s!

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The only bits that seemed really 'off colour' were Wendy Craig fantasising about being rpaed (and saying so) in 'Butterflies' and a shampoo commercial where the actress seemed to be looking forward to being raped by a viking.

You haven't read many romance novels, have you?

Seriously, how often do you see a romance novel on a book store shelf about a raving feminist lusting after a politically-correct metrosexual?

70s TV had its own boundaries it wouldn't cross--sex, in particular, could usually only be hinted at--but was generally far more realistic about human nature than today's politically-correct twaddle. That's what the left hate, because they just can't handle real people. They want everyone else to do what they tell them, and say 'thank you, sir'.

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The only bits that seemed really 'off colour' were Wendy Craig fantasising about being rpaed (and saying so) in 'Butterflies' and a shampoo commercial where the actress seemed to be looking forward to being raped by a viking.

And even those weren't that bad, it was clear from the context that the women wanted to be ravished/taken by some adventurous outdoorsy hunk and that the word "rape" was just a poor choice of vocabulary.

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70s TV had its own boundaries it wouldn't cross--sex, in particular, could usually only be hinted at--but was generally far more realistic about human nature than today's politically-correct twaddle. That's what the left hate, because they just can't handle real people. They want everyone else to do what they tell them, and say 'thank you, sir'.

Remind me which UK political party was against equalising the age of consent for gays, wants to put porn filters on people's broadband connections by default, is blocking decriminalisation of drugs etc? Telling people what to do isn't just the preserve of "the left"...

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He was never Simon Templar you little Pinny fibber, you...!

XYY

He was better than that because there was more totty in a Benny Hill show.

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Remind me which UK political party was against equalising the age of consent for gays, wants to put porn filters on people's broadband connections by default, is blocking decriminalisation of drugs etc? Telling people what to do isn't just the preserve of "the left"...

It's the preserve of those in charge, except they don't have to do it. :wacko:

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Remind me which UK political party was against equalising the age of consent for gays, wants to put porn filters on people's broadband connections by default, is blocking decriminalisation of drugs etc? Telling people what to do isn't just the preserve of "the left"...

Are you seriously trying to claim that Cameron's Tories aren't raving lefties? Thatcher was only a brief respite from the Tories' post-WWII race to the left after Labour's win in 1945.

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Benny Hill was a saint in the 70s!

I thought he was imputent or closeted.

He certainly would have the scope to out Saville Saville.

I saw a bit of it. I found 'The Lover's - I want to rape her bit a bit much. But then that show (72) was probably written by someone who's experience of free love was the raping and pillaging of post-war Europe.

The Butterflies/Wendy Craig - 'I want to be raped' was a straight forward 'middle aged woman not getting any rape fantasy' spoken loud

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I have to admit to being rather tired of TV programs about the 1970's

They seem to fall into two categories.

One peddles uncritical nostalgia for all the decades artefacts

The other regards the 1970s as the fount of all society's ills.

Both are the product of slack and lazy productions where the writers and directors can not be arsed to research the issue properly.

It is a pity for this Channel 4 show that it ran in the same night as the BBC 2s program about the Great War poets and writers experiences on the Somme. The latter program went to the trouble to tie down each literary work to precise locations and events in the course of the battle and showed how the authors works were changed by their experiences .It was a triumph of historical program making that surpassed the tired old PC crap being churned out by Channel 4 by a country mile.

As has previously been mentioned the only contributor to the Channel 4 program who got near to grasping the realities of the era was David Baddiel who astutely pointed out that TV program makers like the rest of society were still trying to digest the changes to sexual morality started in the 1960s and often got it hopelessly wrong. Singling out the Likely Lads for criticism when it was one of the few programs to capture accurately what was going on with regard to changes in the relations of the sexes is particularly reprehensible particularly as it seemed rely on the rather strange notion that what blokes fantasize about in pub conversations etc is actually an accurate reflection of what to really goes on in their lives (a discrepancy used for great comic effect many times in the series). As for Butterflies it was written by a woman, Carla Lane, and like her series the Liver Birds was one of the first TV sit coms to give the lead to female characters.

Of course, the irony of the whole exercise is that the world view of some today who are so critical of the 1970s also had its origins in that decade. The fact that the makers of this type of program like to set themselves up as judge and jury of all past human experiences tells you a lot about their overweening arrogance. It never enters their tiny self centred minds that they are not the end point of history and that everything that went before them does not only have meaning in terms of the present. They do not seem to be able to grasp that past worlds as much intrinsic relevance and worth as does their own pathetic time which will be soon be swept into the dustbin of history and picked over by future generations in exactly the same way

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The 70s are just too long ago! I left school, got a job and bought a motorbike. Probably "On the Buses" sums it up well, which is why it's a classic. The 70's is not Pompeii, and we do not need a reconstruction of it!

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I thought he was imputent or closeted.

He certainly would have the scope to out Saville Saville.

I saw a bit of it. I found 'The Lover's - I want to rape her bit a bit much. But then that show (72) was probably written by someone who's experience of free love was the raping and pillaging of post-war Europe.

The Butterflies/Wendy Craig - 'I want to be raped' was a straight forward 'middle aged woman not getting any rape fantasy' spoken loud

The Lovers was written by Jack Rosenthal, not really someone I would associate with Benny Hill or Jimmy Savile

The programs central theme of the male character Richard Beckinsale thinking he ought to be having lots of sex because that it is what 60s counter culture implied was the new norm, while the the female character, Paula Wilcox was not having any of it , was a not unrealistic representation of what sexual relations between young people were like at that time. It certainly is how I remembered it as a teenager in the early to mid 1970s. The sexual conservatism which was still the prevailing morality of the 1960s was only beginning to crumble as the advent of the female contraceptive pill took the risk of unwanted pregnancy out of sex. Even then getting access to the contraceptive pill was not that easy particularly if you were not married. Family Planning Clinics did not allow single women access to this form of birth control until 1974. Given that at the beginning of the 1970s being a single Mum still carried a huge economic and social stigma it is unsurprising that there was a certain disconnect between what the fantasy and the reality of relationships in the early years after the 1960s sexual revolution

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The 70's is not Pompeii, and we do not need a reconstruction of it!

But being that it was the 70s Pinny, we actually got a reconstruction of Pompeii...

;)

XYY

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But being that it was the 70s Pinny, we actually got a reconstruction of Pompeii...

;)

XYY

I had hoped somebody would spot that one! ;)

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I thought he was imputent or closeted.

He certainly would have the scope to out Saville Saville.

I saw a bit of it. I found 'The Lover's - I want to rape her bit a bit much. But then that show (72) was probably written by someone who's experience of free love was the raping and pillaging of post-war Europe.

The Butterflies/Wendy Craig - 'I want to be raped' was a straight forward 'middle aged woman not getting any rape fantasy' spoken loud

I thought that old codger perving over his own grand daughter a bit unsettling... Interesting to see that clip with Leslie Philips who made all that innuendo with his god daughter, and when she did wanted him to be "shown what to do", he knocked her back, coming over all gentlemanly...

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Didn't watch it. Did Mrs Slocombe's pussy come up?

Aye, I'll bet you fantasised about that! Still, she is from wrong side o't Pennines!

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Didn't watch it. Did Mrs Slocombe's pussy come up?

Surprisingly not blobby.

But apparently the show is a series rather than a "one-off" - not that I'll be watching any more of it - so presumably it's only a matter of time before "Are You Being Served" is pilloried for lots of alleged phobias, various 'isms' and - of course - good old-fashioned stereotyping...

:(

XYY

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Surprisingly not blobby.

But apparently the show is a series rather than a "one-off" - not that I'll be watching any more of it - so presumably it's only a matter of time before "Are You Being Served" is pilloried for lots of alleged phobias, various 'isms' and - of course - good old-fashioned stereotyping...

:(

XYY

As if the idea that every male in the 1970s was a child molesting, gay hating, loon pant wearing rapist was not itself a stereotype.

Presumably next week they will be slagging off All Gas and Gaiters because it did not confront the issue of child abuse in the church at the time.

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