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Rochdale North Detective Inspector Jim Faulkner who led Operation Retriever said: “Each sham marriage costs the UK economy £40,000.

“That’s a Rochdale figure of £15m through benefits and cost to public services.

“The national picture is billions.

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Basically returned us to victorian times of exploitation and greed.

returned?

It never went away.

Dread to think how much our hereditary rentiers have cost the country.

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returned?

It never went away.

Dread to think how much our hereditary rentiers have cost the country.

back garden Shanty towns, the introduction of a gangmasters licensing authority, a shadow population of disenfranchised illegals working for nothing or next to nothing, pricing natives out of work so the boss can build up his property empire never seemed to be pressing issues prior to the mid 90s.

Its undeniable that inequality has been rising over the last 40 years, and rising far more quickly over the last 20.

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back garden Shanty towns, the introduction of a gangmasters licensing authority, a shadow population of disenfranchised illegals working for nothing or next to nothing, pricing natives out of work so the boss can build up his property empire never seemed to be pressing issues prior to the mid 90s.

Its undeniable that inequality has been rising over the last 40 years, and rising far more quickly over the last 20.

At least the back garden shanty towns are tucked away though. Build one on Duchy of Lancaster land and doubtless you'll be shot as a terrorist.

Refusing to play the 'look over there, immigrants' game.

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Basically returned us to victorian times of exploitation and greed.

As Jordan has suddenly found out there are advantages to flooding the country with refugees. Rents have tripled and wages slashed...business and property investors are just loving it. Guess that's the covert mission of all boomer politicians who are feathering their beds nicely and even have the race card to stifle debate.

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I really don't like the way Britain is going. I think they are destroying something that can't be repaired afterwards.

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Even so that sort of problem must be declining massively with Mr Cameron's 10,000 per year target promised before the last election - if it wasn't for the fact that it's still at NuLabour's levels and net migration getting on for nearer 250,000 per year.

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I really don't like the way Britain is going. I think they are destroying something that can't be repaired afterwards.

That's the whole idea of progressive socialism

It's a one way ticket............irreversible

Exactly as Marx and Lenin predicted it would be

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I really don't like the way Britain is going. I think they are destroying something that can't be repaired afterwards.

Quite simply we cant have either unlimited immigration from poor nations or a social security system we can't have both.

Though the left as you can see on this forum do not get this.

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At least the back garden shanty towns are tucked away though. Build one on Duchy of Lancaster land and doubtless you'll be shot as a terrorist.

Refusing to play the 'look over there, immigrants' game.

One of many problems...I dont see why you think it has to be singled down to one.

Its stupid, if nothing else. If people are willing to pay £15k to get here, why dont we charge £15k to get here, instead of handing out citizenships like confetti.

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That's the whole idea of progressive socialism

It's a one way ticket............irreversible

Exactly as Marx and Lenin predicted it would be

Socialism?

LOLOL

The main beneficiary of course being good old rentier capitalism

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Socialism?

LOLOL

The main beneficiary of course being good old rentier capitalism

You so totally misunderstand socialism, it is unbelievable

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Quite simply we cant have either unlimited immigration from poor nations or a social security system we can't have both.

Though the left as you can see on this forum do not get this.

We can have both until the immigrants themselves retire. Marginal gains whilst they are of working age, cataclysmic liabilities in health, disability and pension costs when they are of retirement age.

I guess our politicians, who need GDP and small gains today, don't need to worry about the fiscal position in thirty years time.

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We can have both until the immigrants themselves retire. Marginal gains whilst they are of working age, cataclysmic liabilities in health, disability and pension costs when they are of retirement age.

I guess our politicians, who need GDP and small gains today, don't need to worry about the fiscal position in thirty years time.

Correct, the eastern Europeans smoke a lot more on average than us and will need more medical attention in the future from the NHS, at the same time they pay little or nothing in cigarette duty as they bring as many as possible back every-time they go home, I work with them and i have never seen one yet smoking a British bought cigarette.

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You so totally misunderstand socialism, it is unbelievable

Me too, I thought that socialism was common ownership, so the suggestion that our current system of governance is a socialist one is at odds with the reality of current global wealth distribution.

However, whilst I'd like to avoid an 'ism' fight, I'd appreciate if you could expand on your idea, at least to help me understand your perspective.

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Even so that sort of problem must be declining massively with Mr Cameron's 10,000 per year target promised before the last election - if it wasn't for the fact that it's still at NuLabour's levels and net migration getting on for nearer 250,000 per year.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10829620/Number-of-Romanian-and-Bulgarian-workers-falls-since-EU-restrictions-relaxed.html

That's just the 2 countries.

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You can't claim benefits on a spouse visa.

Isn't it that the marriage to an EU entitled to stay person enables the first person to stay. And once you're here of course you can claim benefits.

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Me too, I thought that socialism was common ownership, so the suggestion that our current system of governance is a socialist one is at odds with the reality of current global wealth distribution.

However, whilst I'd like to avoid an 'ism' fight, I'd appreciate if you could expand on your idea, at least to help me understand your perspective.

Depends which variety of socialism you are referring to

"Common ownership" is a pipe dream that has never happened in human history and never will happen.

"The goal of socialism is communism." - Lenin

Communism is state ownership of everything. Fascism is a union of state and corporate power where private property ownership is only tolerated if it is utilised in the better interests of the state.

All socialist systems, communism, fascism, social democracy share certain common features, specifically the subjugation of individual rights, property ownership and individual liberty in favour of collectivism and centralised power and control of EVERYTHING.

The proletariat driven "bottom up" revolution that Marx wrote about has long since been abandoned in favour of the "top down" corporatist model.

You can read some excellent articles about it here:

http://www.eurocanadian.ca/2014/06/the-socialist-capitalist-alliance.html

http://www.eurocanadian.ca/2014/06/the-socialist-capitalist-alliance_26.html

http://www.eurocanadian.ca/2014/07/the-socialist-capitalist-alliance.html

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Its a shame people are so blinkered by the racism charge they simply cannot approach the immigration issue from a critical standpoint.

Every single other issue, (bar none that I know of) people accept there are positive and negatives involved. Its the ability to weigh them up that produces a balanced view through argument. This "i wont debate immigration, its racist" attitude is precisely why we have so many problems surrounding it. Can you imagine people saying 'i wont debate defense policy" or 'i wont debate the level of NHS funding'

But some people just cannot explore some of the negative implications of mass immigration as they seem to think the next step is always a holocaust or something. Its not, Japan has proven this, and been genocide free since 1945!

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That's the whole idea of progressive socialism

It's a one way ticket............irreversible

Exactly as Marx and Lenin predicted it would be

Not exactly- what we have is socialism for the rich-bailouts of the banks- and capitalism for the poor -deregulated labor markets to maximize their exposure to competition.

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Not exactly- what we have is socialism for the rich-bailouts of the banks- and capitalism for the poor -deregulated labor markets to maximize their exposure to competition.

Read the links in my previous post

I think they explain it far better than I can without writing a 3000 word assay and boring everyone to death

"We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies, Mr. Beale. The world is a college of corporations, inexorably determined by the immutable bylaws of business. The world is a business, Mr. Beale. It has been since man crawled out of the slime. And our children will live, Mr. Beale, to see that perfect world in which there's no war or famine, oppression or brutality -- one vast and ecumenical holding company, for whom all men will work to serve a common profit, in which all men will hold a share of stock, all necessities provided, all anxieties tranquilized, all boredom amused." - Arthur Jensen, from the movie "Network"

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