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Coming up later in prog. on BBC Breakfast News

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/

Just seen an intro vid article on this on BBC (cannot find any google info)

They mentioned we have smallest new builds in Euope. RICS RIBA were talking about standardizing sizes, and were in a house with bigger than average rooms.

Edit: It's RIBA not RICS

Edited by Saving For a Space Ship

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Damn, I only caught the last few seconds where the female anchor and the moron reporter were discussing how they already had ideas as to how they would do the interior design of the house.

Which was enough to make me want to barf.

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Just caught the very end, presenters worried about the color scheme.

Damn, I only caught the last few seconds where the female anchor and the moron reporter were discussing how they already had ideas as to how they would do the interior design of the house.

Which was enough to make me want to barf.

Yes, it was a bit weird that. It was like the piece finished early and the borg queen whispered in the drone presenters ear, to fill in the time with something they thought the plebs might want to hear.

You did not miss much, they could have least had a RICS person there. There appeared no relevance for them being in Nottingham.

Seemed like they were trying to big up doing something about tiny slave box new build sizes, without much substance .

They marked a white lined box on the floor stating sizes & showed a graphic of existing & RICS bigger proposals.

The white lined outline reminded me of a murdered body scene.....This could be you, dead of NE debt & stress from buying the $hitty new build micro cage :rolleyes:

What's weirder, is why I can't find anything on google or RICS site about it?

Can someone else have a search

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What's weirder, is why I can't find anything on google or RICS site about it?

Can someone else have a search

You are right, there is nothing on the RICS site about this.

The BBC has:

08:52: BIGGER HOMES
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On average British homes are the smallest in western Europe. Steph McGovern is at a building site in Nottingham this morning for Breakfast, where she is illustrating the larger houses recommended by the Royal Institute of British Architects. Its one floor, one bedroom house is 6 square meters bigger than the current average.

RIBA have been going on about this for ages: Campaign link here: http://www.withoutspaceandlight.com/#

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You are right, there is nothing on the RICS site about this.

The BBC has:

08:52: BIGGER HOMES
_78952454_de27-1.jpg

On average British homes are the smallest in western Europe. Steph McGovern is at a building site in Nottingham this morning for Breakfast, where she is illustrating the larger houses recommended by the Royal Institute of British Architects. Its one floor, one bedroom house is 6 square meters bigger than the current average.

RIBA have been going on about this for ages: Campaign link here: http://www.withoutspaceandlight.com/#

Cheers, Perhaps I misheard, and they said RIBA not RICS. Could have sworn it was RICS though

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The BBC has:

On average British homes are the smallest in western Europe. Steph McGovern is at a building site in Nottingham this morning for Breakfast, where she is illustrating the larger houses recommended by the Royal Institute of British Architects. Its one floor, one bedroom house is 6 square meters bigger than the current average.

I wonder if they missed out a comma there? Maybe it should say "6 square meters, bigger than the current average".

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So it would be the width of a cavity wall bigger - on two sides of the property.

Better than nothing but not much better. It's hardly going to set the world alight is it - but the BBC will no doubt make it out to be some big deal as it's a great infill subject and gets to advertise property and buying property some more.

It's a recommended increase as well as if that means there's something good about the mean and measly increase.

Some feel good factor that as elections approach :rolleyes:

Edited by billybong

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Cheers, Perhaps I misheard, and they said RIBA not RICS. Could have sworn it was RICS though

I'm pretty sure it must be this story (sorry, Daily Wail):

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-2832350/Space-standard-new-homes-sought.html

So, yeah, RIBA.

Anyway, 7% more space for (probably more than) 7% more money isn't really news - wake me up when we get a 50% size increase, and a 50% quality increase and a 50% price drop... (easily possible if the supply of land for building houses increases and the supply of finance for buying houses decreases)

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I'm pretty sure it must be this story (sorry, Daily Wail):

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-2832350/Space-standard-new-homes-sought.html

So, yeah, RIBA.

Anyway, 7% more space for (probably more than) 7% more money isn't really news - wake me up when we get a 50% size increase, and a 50% quality increase and a 50% price drop... (easily possible if the supply of land for building houses increases and the supply of finance for buying houses decreases)

Ta, I've changed first post, but cannot change title (perhaps Mods would be so kind )

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About time too. It's only taken us 200,000 years to work out the absolute minimum space a human can live in....

We can shoot a space craft into outer space to land on a rock after 10 years and 6.4 billion kilometres of travel, but I have to listen to this drivel on a daily basis!

Edited by XswampyX

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Hoorah! So we'll have bigger houses that we still can't afford. Rejoice! Rejoice!

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About time too. It's only taken us 200,000 years to work out the absolute minimum space a human can live in....

We can shoot a space craft into outer space to land on a rock after 10 years and 6.4 billion kilometres of travel, but I have to listen to this drivel on a daily basis!

Minimum house sizes were done away with in 1980 by you know who.("T" word usage not permitted )

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It's worth pointing out that in the USA, size restrictions were said to be introduced to boost banks & house building corps. profits, and had restricted the growing "Tiny House Movement".

NIMBYS supported it "some neighborhood groups “needlessly fearful for their property values and lifestyles” also prohibit small homes in their areas, writes Shafer."

I would guess that many people building a tiny house would not require or afford a RIBA architects services, they would get a plan off the web for a few ££ or design it themselves

http://thistinyhouse.com/2009/5-ways-to-get-around-minimum-size-standards/

http://thistinyhouse.com/2009/5-ways-to-get-around-minimum-size-standards/

5 ways to get around minimum size standards

01/03/2009
Yes, it is illegal to live in a tiny house in much of the US. Does that surprise you?
Lynne wanted me to expand on this topic, so I’ve decided to answer her question in this post.
According to designer and tiny house advocate Jay Shafer, “minimum size standards have been found to be unconstitutional in several US courts.” These standards reside in model building codes, adopted and customized at the local level for the stated purpose of protecting public health, safety and general welfare.
In his Small House Book (order it here), Shafer asserts that these standards (specific to the size of houses and the rooms within) were pushed through during the 1970s and 80s by the housing and banking industries in order to produce “more profit per structure.”
The result? Ugly McMansions, sprawl, construction waste, higher co2 emissions, and, now, an unaffordable housing crisis.
To make things worse, some neighborhood groups “needlessly fearful for their property values and lifestyles” also prohibit small homes in their areas, writes Shafer.
However, there are ways to get around this.
Move out of the city. Many rural areas are unregulated in this way.
Negotiate. Talk with your local building officials or neighborhood associations. They might be convinced that a small house is non-threatening.
Accessorize. Small dwellings are sometimes allowed to be built adjacent to a house, such as a “granny flat.”
Don’t hook up. If a structure is not permanently attached and not hooked up to public utilities, it may not be considered relevant to housing codes.
Apply pressure. Point out the immense housing problem and give an out for your local politicians to save the day.......
Edited by Saving For a Space Ship

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Minimum house sizes were done away with in 1980 by you know who.("T" word usage not permitted )

Sounding more and more like an abuser who blames being bullied at school for his own actions decades later.

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Sounding more and more like an abuser who blames being bullied at school for his own actions decades later.

I prefer laughing at the stupidity of the bullies who believed the bigger bully would want to share the proceeds of bullying decades later.

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I would guess that many people building a tiny house would not require or afford a RIBA architects services, they would get a plan off the web for a few ££ or design it themselves

Since almost nobody in this country (<10,000 per year) is allowed or able to build their own house, relatively few of those use qualified architects (too expensive), and neither do small local builders or volume house builders, that's not really a consideration for RIBA, though is it?

RIBA architects pretty much only do commercial and cultural buildings - as far as I can see (I'm not an Architect and have no affiliation with RIBA) the push from RIBA for better quality dwellings is not driven by self-interest in getting more work, but just by despair at the absolutely piss-poor crap we insist on throwing up and living in in this country...

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Didn't Labour introduce minimum density for new developments back in the 2000s?

Yes. Around where I live the planners insist on 40 swellings per hectare, or 250 sqm of land for each house, including roads, pavements, parks etc etc. Crammed in like battery hens basically...

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Crap that should 'dwellings' not 'swellings' - although the latter may be more accurate for the overpriced pustulent excrescences puked out by the volume house builders...

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