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Eu Court Ruling Backs Curbs On 'benefit Tourism'

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EU court ruling backs curbs on 'benefit tourism'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30002138

It could allow the UK to exclude some unemployed migrants from receiving some benefits such as jobseeker's allowance.

David Cameron is looking a range of options to curb EU migration.

The government has already tightened the rules on the ability of new EU migrants to claim certain benefits for the first three months after they arrive in the UK.

If they stop non-Uk getting housing benefit / tax credits etc then would this be disincentive enough to stop people from the rest of the EU coming here for jobs?

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If they stop non-Uk getting housing benefit / tax credits etc then would this be disincentive enough to stop people from the rest of the EU coming here for jobs?

I would predict a severe lack of Hungarian sandwich makers in the UK if they did that

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It would help but the issue I think is primarily with non-EU immigration e.g. African and Asians importing their non-working family after gaining citizenship.

I don't know the ins and outs but I have a few friends that have done it.

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It would help but the issue I think is primarily with non-EU immigration e.g. African and Asians importing their non-working family after gaining citizenship.

Tuesday's ruling relates to a case involving a Romanian woman and her son living in Germany who had been denied access to a non-contributory subsistence allowance from the German social security system.

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EU court ruling backs curbs on 'benefit tourism'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30002138

It could allow the UK to exclude some unemployed migrants from receiving some benefits such as jobseeker's allowance.

David Cameron is looking a range of options to curb EU migration.

The government has already tightened the rules on the ability of new EU migrants to claim certain benefits for the first three months after they arrive in the UK.

If they stop non-Uk getting housing benefit / tax credits etc then would this be disincentive enough to stop people from the rest of the EU coming here for jobs?

Britain can ban European Union migrants from claiming "special non-contributory cash benefits" for up to five years, according to a landmark judgement in Luxembourg.

The EU courts have ruled that it is up to the Government, not Brussels, how it drafts legislation that that excludes foreign, European nationals from claiming social assistance benefits.

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So the country with (mainly) contributory unemployment benefits gets a ruling against a benefit tourist, and the British government call this a victory?

Same story with a bit less spin:

http://www.thelocal.de/20141111/court-countries-can-refuse-eu-migrants-benefits

"Hartz_IV"benefits in Germany:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartz_concept#Hartz_IV

Just another example of how Britain just doesn't get it when it comes to Europe.

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Does that mean we can have a Citizens' Income just for British Nationals?

If the UK ever gets a Citizens' Income it will be because the EU mandates one. You think the Anglo-Normans who run this country will ever let Westminster do it?

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Note the contrast.

When the UK has a problem with something-EU, our politicians and meeja whinge ad nauseam and throw their toys out of the pram.

Germany has a problem, they engage constructively, and get a fix.

UK could've taken this stand, but that wouldn't've suited the political and meeja Agenda.

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Can this be extended to in work benefits where people work part-time for the Big Issue earning £50 per week but collect £500+ in weekly "in work" benefits?

Edited by fru-gal

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If the UK ever gets a Citizens' Income it will be because the EU mandates one. You think the Anglo-Normans who run this country will ever let Westminster do it?

No. They may be stupid, but not that stupid.

The real problem, is that, unlike most nations, Britain hands out money to people for just existing, rather than expecting them to pay in before they can claim. All they need do is change to a similar system to most of the rest of the world, and the problem goes away.

But then Labour won't be able to bribe the workshy with other people's money any more.

Edited by MarkG

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No. They may be stupid, but not that stupid.

The real problem, is that, unlike most nations, Britain hands out money to people for just existing, rather than expecting them to pay in before they can claim. All they need do is change to a similar system to most of the rest of the world, and the problem goes away.

But then Labour won't be able to bribe the workshy with other people's money any more.

Our system allows a lot of people to be hidden away which suits the government. In the 1980s for instance the numbers on out of work benefits went from under 2 million to over 6 million. They then reduced under Labour to about 4.5 million.

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This ruling changes nothing that wasn't already known. The government has known that they can restrict access to benefits by setting the rules, they have chosen not to do so.

Instead they have been harping on about immigration which isn't something they can change. Business does not want any restriction on migrant benefits or residency rights as all of a sudden migrants would be at a disadvantage to UK citizens. Currently the situation is reversed due to high housing costs and migrants willingness to put up with rubbish conditions for a few years.

If we stopped access to any benefits based on residency of five years, the employers would have to raise wages or living costs would have to come down. Not all jobs can be off shored.

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This ruling changes nothing that wasn't already known. The government has known that they can restrict access to benefits by setting the rules, they have chosen not to do so.

Instead they have been harping on about immigration which isn't something they can change. Business does not want any restriction on migrant benefits or residency rights as all of a sudden migrants would be at a disadvantage to UK citizens. Currently the situation is reversed due to high housing costs and migrants willingness to put up with rubbish conditions for a few years.

If we stopped access to any benefits based on residency of five years, the employers would have to raise wages or living costs would have to come down. Not all jobs can be off shored.

+1

Up to now it has been easier to have the EU as a scapegoat but what they didn't count on was that those they groomed into stupidity in order to believe the lie would vote for someone else.

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This ruling changes nothing that wasn't already known. The government has known that they can restrict access to benefits by setting the rules, they have chosen not to do so.

Instead they have been harping on about immigration which isn't something they can change. Business does not want any restriction on migrant benefits or residency rights as all of a sudden migrants would be at a disadvantage to UK citizens. Currently the situation is reversed due to high housing costs and migrants willingness to put up with rubbish conditions for a few years.

If we stopped access to any benefits based on residency of five years, the employers would have to raise wages or living costs would have to come down. Not all jobs can be off shored.

This is true, always has been.....it also stops thousands of beggers on the streets, and rough sleepers living on park benches and under the arches....not good for business.

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No. They may be stupid, but not that stupid.

The real problem, is that, unlike most nations, Britain hands out money to people for just existing, rather than expecting them to pay in before they can claim. All they need do is change to a similar system to most of the rest of the world, and the problem goes away.

But then Labour won't be able to bribe the workshy with other people's money any more.

er, Labour?

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