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Deep Web - This Can't Be Right?

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The so-called deep web - the anonymous part of the internet - is estimated to be anything up to 500 times the size of the surface web.

In a story about shutting down some drug-dealing sites.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-29950946

Seriously - 500 times? With the amount of traffic and activity on the internet that I see (now apparently known as the "surface web") then how can the deep web be 500 times bigger, however you define "size"?

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Seems it is not right, it is 5,000 times the size (and growing).

http://www.brightplanet.com/deep-web-university-2/deep-web-a-primer/

HOW LARGE IS THE DEEP WEB?

It’s almost impossible to measure the size of the Deep Web. While some early estimates put the size of the Deep Web at 4,000-5,000 times larger than surface web, the changing dynamic of how information is accessed and presented means that the Deep Web is growing exponentially and at a rate that defies quantification.

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OK< Ill bite...what is the deep web?

Is it lower than the cloud?

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The irony is, its probably growing 'exponentially' to avoid detection, or creates lots of red herring type sites to throw law enforcement.

Probably would stay far smaller if the gubbermint just left it alone and accepts people can buy what the hell they please.

Thats my assumption anyway...im no IT guru.

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Seems it is not right, it is 5,000 times the size (and growing).

http://www.brightplanet.com/deep-web-university-2/deep-web-a-primer/

HOW LARGE IS THE DEEP WEB?

It’s almost impossible to measure the size of the Deep Web. While some early estimates put the size of the Deep Web at 4,000-5,000 times larger than surface web, the changing dynamic of how information is accessed and presented means that the Deep Web is growing exponentially and at a rate that defies quantification.

Ah ok so it's a bit misnamed. If it was called the "archive web" then the figure of 500 (or 5,000) would not have surprised me.

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OK< Ill bite...what is the deep web?

Is it lower than the cloud?

You access it through Tor..

http://www.fastcolabs.com/3026989/an-up-to-date-laymans-guide-to-accessing-the-deep-web

Went on it a couple of years ago...didnt think much of it at the time...thats where the likes of the silk road (effectively a drug dealing website) is hosted...the US shut the original one down, but copycat ones sprang up almost instantaneously...transactions are completed through bitcoin..

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Seriously - 500 times? With the amount of traffic and activity on the internet that I see (now apparently known as the "surface web") then how can the deep web be 500 times bigger, however you define "size"?

Best to ignore any attempt by the BBC to describe anything remotely technical, but movie/video sharing probably counts for a large proportion of the total data exchanged on the Internet.

It reminds me of the "area of the Internet the size of Ireland" line from Brass Eye though.

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There was an episode of CSI: Vegas recently where, in the storyline, an FBI agent, played by Patricia Arquette, made the claim that the "deep web" was 500 times bigger than the web we all know.

At the time of watching the show I couldn't help thinking that the particular episode was basically a Hollywood pitch for a new series involving her character - an FBI agent who investigated crimes on the 'deep web'.

I strongly suspect that lots of luvvies and politicians watched that episode, believed it to be real and it has now moved from somewhere in fiction to reality.

Personally, I think it would make a good show.

As for the 'deep web' being 500 times bigger than the web we all know - that is just ****** if you are talking about the servers and sites that host the nasty stuff like extreme porn & worse, illegal drugs stuff, etc, etc.

Can you imagine what amount of hardware in terms of servers, routers, switches, internet pipes, etc, etc, the 'normal' web uses then for the 'deep web' to be 500 times bigger the likes of Cisco would be making money hand over fist and not languishing.

BUT....

IF you included all the secret squirrel stuff that the likes of the US and UK security services run in the background... IF you included all the corporate stuff that the big banks, corporates, etc, etc, etc, run then, yes, the so-called 'deep web' probably is a heck of a lot bigger than the public internet on which most of us surf and post.

But to think that there is this massive - much, much, much huger than the internet - 'deep web' out there populated by heroic geeks battling with dark and sinister people, well, that is the stuff of fantasy fiction and xbox games.

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There was an episode of CSI: Vegas recently where, in the storyline, an FBI agent, played by Patricia Arquette, made the claim that the "deep web" was 500 times bigger than the web we all know.

At the time of watching the show I couldn't help thinking that the particular episode was basically a Hollywood pitch for a new series involving her character - an FBI agent who investigated crimes on the 'deep web'.

I strongly suspect that lots of luvvies and politicians watched that episode, believed it to be real and it has now moved from somewhere in fiction to reality.

Personally, I think it would make a good show.

As for the 'deep web' being 500 times bigger than the web we all know - that is just ****** if you are talking about the servers and sites that host the nasty stuff like extreme porn & worse, illegal drugs stuff, etc, etc.

Can you imagine what amount of hardware in terms of servers, routers, switches, internet pipes, etc, etc, the 'normal' web uses then for the 'deep web' to be 500 times bigger the likes of Cisco would be making money hand over fist and not languishing.

BUT....

IF you included all the secret squirrel stuff that the likes of the US and UK security services run in the background... IF you included all the corporate stuff that the big banks, corporates, etc, etc, etc, run then, yes, the so-called 'deep web' probably is a heck of a lot bigger than the public internet on which most of us surf and post.

But to think that there is this massive - much, much, much huger than the internet - 'deep web' out there populated by heroic geeks battling with dark and sinister people, well, that is the stuff of fantasy fiction and xbox games.

It would need 5000 times as many people to use it.

And, as nobody does, it is BS...QED

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You access it through Tor..

http://www.fastcolabs.com/3026989/an-up-to-date-laymans-guide-to-accessing-the-deep-web

Went on it a couple of years ago...didnt think much of it at the time...thats where the likes of the silk road (effectively a drug dealing website) is hosted...the US shut the original one down, but copycat ones sprang up almost instantaneously...transactions are completed through bitcoin..

But, but, TOR is on the internet.

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I thought the terminology was:

Deep web - premium online content, not available without a subscription - e.g. newspapers requiring an online subscription, private forums which are not indexed on search engines, and which may have closed registration. May or may not be indexed on public search engines.

Dark web - anonymous online services and content, typically requiring the use of some sort of anonymisation system such as TOR.

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It begs too many questions to be meaningful.

Not just the one discussed above ("what is it?"), but equally important, by what measure do they say it's bigger than "the surface web" (whatever that is).

There are numerous ways to spin it. How, for instance, do they classify a public but login-based monkeys-at-typewriters place like HPC fora, and all the variants on that theme?

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Deep web, dark Internet, phrases are loosely bandied about to describe content that can't be found through search engines.

But bear in mind that includes a lot of dynamically generated web pages, that don't 'exist' as web pages, but are generated on the fly. An example is a Google resultas page itself.

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Surely the surface web is stuff anyone can access like this website. The deep web is all the private stuff on the internet, emails, p2p, that sort of thing. The dark web being the tor/onion web.

If the above is correct, then the deep web could be 500times the size.

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Doesn't it also include stuff that has an IP address and is technically on the internet but not neccesarily visible to ordinary search engines e.g. webcams, smart TV etc. If it includes all devices I can see the dark web could easily be 1000s of times bigger than the bright web.

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But, but, TOR is on the internet.

The browser can be used to encrypt "normal" web traffic and it also gives you access to the deep/dark/underground (call it what you will) web...

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so its a term as meaningless as "the cloud" in reality.

It is still...computers connected to a large network.

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so its a term as meaningless as "the cloud" in reality.

It is still...computers connected to a large network.

Its just a WAN in which all traffic is heavily encrypted...

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so its a term as meaningless as "the cloud" in reality.

It is still...computers connected to a large network.

Yes. There is the dark web - small, covert.

And there is the deep web which is loads of stuff that can be accessed via the web but that isn't open to everybody.

I'm not sure why that second one really needs a name. Any forum that is only viewable by members is therefore "deep web", which is a wildly pretentious way of describing it.

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There was an episode of CSI: Vegas recently where, in the storyline, an FBI agent, played by Patricia Arquette, made the claim that the "deep web" was 500 times bigger than the web we all know.

At the time of watching the show I couldn't help thinking that the particular episode was basically a Hollywood pitch for a new series involving her character - an FBI agent who investigated crimes on the 'deep web'.

I strongly suspect that lots of luvvies and politicians watched that episode, believed it to be real and it has now moved from somewhere in fiction to reality.

Personally, I think it would make a good show.

As for the 'deep web' being 500 times bigger than the web we all know - that is just ****** if you are talking about the servers and sites that host the nasty stuff like extreme porn & worse, illegal drugs stuff, etc, etc.

Can you imagine what amount of hardware in terms of servers, routers, switches, internet pipes, etc, etc, the 'normal' web uses then for the 'deep web' to be 500 times bigger the likes of Cisco would be making money hand over fist and not languishing.

BUT....

IF you included all the secret squirrel stuff that the likes of the US and UK security services run in the background... IF you included all the corporate stuff that the big banks, corporates, etc, etc, etc, run then, yes, the so-called 'deep web' probably is a heck of a lot bigger than the public internet on which most of us surf and post.

But to think that there is this massive - much, much, much huger than the internet - 'deep web' out there populated by heroic geeks battling with dark and sinister people, well, that is the stuff of fantasy fiction and xbox games.

It was a Hollywood pitch for a new show, CSI: Cyber. Coming out next year apparently. I felt it had potential but Arquette's character was annoyingly smug - and you just know they'll **** up the portrayal of technology in pursuit of a good story. She's back in a couple of weeks btw:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSI:_Cyber

The deep web is basically stuff which cannot be hoovered up by search engines e.g. most email, databases, intranets etc as well as the dodgy stuff.

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The deep web is basically stuff which cannot be hoovered up by search engines e.g. most email, databases, intranets etc as well as the dodgy stuff.

I am sure MrPin is responsible for most of it.

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