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Wow, 10 hours since I first read about this, yet no mention here.

Unsurprisingly the right wing press didn't seem that interested in this news (it certainly didn't appear in the headlines) so it was left to the Russian's http://rt.com/uk/202455-eu-migrants-uk-20bn/ and the left wing press to inform people http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/05/eu-migrants-uk-gains-20bn-ucl-study

Migrants from new EU countries like Poland have contributed about £5bn http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29910497

However, the right wing media has tried it best to divert attention, by pointing to all (i.e. including non-EU) immigrants http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/531670/Immigration-taxpayer-Britain-118billion-17-years

Interesting analysis here of what's going on in the press http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2014/11/05/powerful-forces-try-to-rubbish-positive-immigration-report One thing in this article got me thinking, if these migrant workers don't actually stay in the UK for more than a year or two we get the benefit of educated workers (Poland beats UK in PISA) whose education we didn't pay for, and we don't pay for their care costs in later life as they leave before they get old and unwell. I'd go as far as to say only an anti-capitalist would argue this is a bad thing. :D

Oh and before someone starts about immigrants and housing costs, may I refer you to the graph on the frontpage, the biggest leaps in house prices were before Poland etc. joined the UK.

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You've missed something else in the report:

4.2.1. Overall immigrant population, 19952011
Our estimates for the overall immigrant population residing in the UK between 1995 and 2011 show that immigrants from EEA countries made a positive contribution over that period of more than
£4 billion, while those from non-EEA countries made a negative contribution of £118 billion

Page 25

:lol:

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I'll take a look at it. Last time I read a similar report, while its true (and outside EU immigrants too, provided they werent from Islamic countries) they contribute (marginally) more in taxes, than the take in subsidies, it conveniently ignored people of above working age.

So, fine...if they dont expect any state pensions.

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For this to be true then 10 x as many EU immigrants must be taking well paid middle class jobs and displacing lucrative small businesses as were taking the minimum wage jobs.

So the situation for the incumbent population is 10 x more dire than has previously been considered. It's just an economic fact.

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I'm sure the slave trade was good for our economy. Didn't make it right though did it?

There are things more important than money.

Like democracy and living in a free sovereign country.

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From the guardian link




He said that the educational qualifications of new migrants to Britain, especially from western and southern Europe, was now extraordinarily high and higher than any other EU country. He said the UK would have had to spend £6.8bn on education to build up the same level of “human capital”.

That doesn't really seem to tie in with say 40-50% of UK youngsters now going to University and usually funding their studies via student fees debt.


http://

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-22280939

University entry levels reach 49%

Then despite them being intelligent enough to take on better jobs having to make do with MacBurger type jobs. It's a fair bet that if the report's numbers were examined in any detail (rather than being accepted carte blanche by the media as usual) plenty of deficiencies would be found in it.

Of course the Rochester and Strood by-election is in 2 weeks time.

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60% + immigrants are educated to degree level VS sub-25% of our kids being educated to that level.

So we're importing brains and binning our own basically.

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I heard this report several times on the radio this morning. TPTB must be desperate.

I wonder if they have done a report that says propaganda works.

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60% + immigrants are educated to degree level VS sub-25% of our kids being educated to that level.

So we're importing brains and binning our own basically.

Degree level isnt a set in stone kind of thing.

Nurses training in Nigeria for example can be a half or even a third as long as nurses training in the UK.

Would you feel just as safe in the hands of a Nigerian Nurse?!

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Does the report take into account that jobs taken by an immigrants means increased unemployment in the native population thereby costing benefits. Does it factor in that large numbers of immigrants suppress wage levels as they are willing to work for less, especially when it comes to illegal immigrants.

Does the report factor in illegal immigration at all. How about the increased pressure on infrastructure. Were the benefits paid to their families considered.

Just comparing tax take to benefits paid is criminally short sighted, it shouldn't even need a report.

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It picks very poor dates.

One, tax credits did not ramp up to there full 16h work for 25K income until the 2005ish.

Romanians have only just started coming across.

I'd argue there's nothing wrong with our immigration policy. Its our stupid, non-contribution, needs-based benefit system thats fcked.

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> western and southern Europe, was now extraordinarily high and higher

West, meaning Germany and the Low countries, then yes, well educated. But I only meet a few of these doing professional jobs.

Southern Europe - Spain, Portugal, Greece and S. Italy - higher education is cr.p.

They've all trained as Lawyers, badly. 100s per lecture room. Bribes to get the degree.

I've only met these as barristas rather than barristers.

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I have issues with the report from my high level viewpoint of if this country is running such a massive defecit then most people (ignore categories for now) must be taking, or having more spent per capita than the government is receiving from them, it's the only way the deficit can exist.

Yes, thats tax credits for you.

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Does the report take into account that jobs taken by an immigrants means increased unemployment in the native population thereby costing benefits. Does it factor in that large numbers of immigrants suppress wage levels as they are willing to work for less, especially when it comes to illegal immigrants.

Does the report factor in illegal immigration at all. How about the increased pressure on infrastructure. Were the benefits paid to their families considered.

Just comparing tax take to benefits paid is criminally short sighted, it shouldn't even need a report.

Does the report take into account that jobs taken by an immigrants means increased unemployment in the native population thereby costing benefits. Does it factor in that large numbers of immigrants suppress wage levels as they are willing to work for less, especially when it comes to illegal immigrants.

Does the report factor in illegal immigration at all. How about the increased pressure on infrastructure. Were the benefits paid to their families considered.

Just comparing tax take to benefits paid is criminally short sighted, it shouldn't even need a report.

You missed soaking up housing stock for the native population forcing up prices subsidised by housing benefit paid for by?

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Funny how since mass immigration from the poor nations of the EU took hold under Labour wages have barely risen.

Besides racist old me doesnt want to live alongside West Africans, Somalians, Pakistanis and such like, and from what i see they dont want to live alongside the English.

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I heard this report several times on the radio this morning. TPTB must be desperate.

I wonder if they have done a report that says propaganda works.

The way Sky were spinning it was a joke, Murdoch really is just a fluffy liberal globalist after all.

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The logic of this report is that these people are millionaires who brought the money with them and are paying tax on its earnings. -on the other hand If the immigrants are taking the job of a person born in the uk, then they are paying the taxes the other would have paid anyway whilst the uk born person is paid dole too..

i was taking to a friend recently about summer jobs for graduates, i worked every summer as did most of my generation. Now they don't do them anymore the jobs don't exist as bar work etc is always done by immigrants. apart from anything else our young people get their first taste of employment at 22 with hopeless expectations

the fact that it is the tories are the ones most in favour of immigration -cheap labour from folk that fear being sacked and therefore can be bullied casually, getting the liberals to approve of this is their greatest modern achievement of the right wing.

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Wow, 10 hours since I first read about this, yet no mention here.

Unsurprisingly the right wing press didn't seem that interested in this news (it certainly didn't appear in the headlines) so it was left to the Russian's http://rt.com/uk/202455-eu-migrants-uk-20bn/ and the left wing press to inform people http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/05/eu-migrants-uk-gains-20bn-ucl-study

Migrants from new EU countries like Poland have contributed about £5bn http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29910497

However, the right wing media has tried it best to divert attention, by pointing to all (i.e. including non-EU) immigrants http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/531670/Immigration-taxpayer-Britain-118billion-17-years

Interesting analysis here of what's going on in the press http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2014/11/05/powerful-forces-try-to-rubbish-positive-immigration-report One thing in this article got me thinking, if these migrant workers don't actually stay in the UK for more than a year or two we get the benefit of educated workers (Poland beats UK in PISA) whose education we didn't pay for, and we don't pay for their care costs in later life as they leave before they get old and unwell. I'd go as far as to say only an anti-capitalist would argue this is a bad thing. :D

Oh and before someone starts about immigrants and housing costs, may I refer you to the graph on the frontpage, the biggest leaps in house prices were before Poland etc. joined the UK.

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Yes, they tend to go very quiet on here when 'bad' news arrives.

Interesting story though - I mean both the story and the story around it.

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Yes, they tend to go very quiet on here when 'bad' news arrives.

Interesting story though - I mean both the story and the story around it.

I was just bored at the endless spin of it.

There is far more to the story then the initial headline, but i wouldnt expect the liberals in the media to offer any depth into this or any story these days.

All the news is these days is headlines, with yellow and red animation at the bottom of the TV screen.

I will add the research has been done by UCL as Universities are epicentres of marxism i would expect the people doing the reseach to have a biased slant before theyve even started.

Edited by Corruption

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I was just bored at the endless spin of it.

There is far more to the story then the initial headline, but i wouldnt expect the liberals in the media to offer any depth into this or any story these days.

All the news is these days is headlines, with yellow and red animation at the bottom of the TV screen.

I will add the research has been done by UCL as Universities are epicentres of marxism i would expect the people doing the reseach to have a biased slant before theyve even started.

To be fair universities have had positive immigration for decades, one can hardly complain about a few famous intellectuals finding a haven in unis here. The problem is that the people who do have an axe to grind don't have a voice, they certainly are not the kind of people academics interview.

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To be fair universities have had positive immigration for decades, one can hardly complain about a few famous intellectuals finding a haven in unis here. The problem is that the people who do have an axe to grind don't have a voice, they certainly are not the kind of people academics interview.

Best way to judge is what you see around you, as someone who once worked as a painter and decorator it became clear to me 13 years ago it was time to get out when 10 Poles arrived overnight and worked for far less than myself being as one guy was subbying all the work on my rate and then paying the other 9 sausage rolls a percentage of this as they were cash in hand.

Clearly this competition was good for decorators in the area, and to say anything else would mean im racist as i dont have a Phd in Immigration Economics to have a valid differing opinion.

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Best way to judge is what you see around you, as someone who once worked as a painter and decorator it became clear to me 13 years ago it was time to get out when 10 Poles arrived overnight and worked for far less than myself being as one guy was subbying all the work on my rate and then paying the other 9 sausage rolls a percentage of this as they were cash in hand.

Clearly this competition was good for decorators in the area, and to say anything else would mean im racist as i dont have a Phd in Immigration Economics to have a valid differing opinion.

indeed, i agree and have been told this many times. but, as usual, those who are suffering from the problem carry on voting labour, who are all in favour of the factors that cause the problem.

fwiw i am anti all current politics, ukip included. i just wants thing they way they where when i was young. that the ruling classes at least approximately had the average persons interests at heart...as someone of my generation i cannot believe i wish to have someone like harold wilson in charge. at least he told lyndon johnson where to get off wrt vietnam, unlike bliar.

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Yes, they tend to go very quiet on here when 'bad' news arrives.

Interesting story though - I mean both the story and the story around it.

I take it you only read the bits that you agree with your argument:

4.2.1. Overall immigrant population, 19952011

while those from non-EEA countries made a negative contribution of £118 billion

Page 25

:rolleyes:

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