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Biggest Bigots ?

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Who are the biggest bigots?

The people who support UKIP or the people who think that voting UKIP is something akin to skinning babies alive and skewering them with cute puppies for a lunchtime snack?

Ditto Britain First.

If they're a legally permitted political party and publishing material that the police haven't battered their doors down for, then what gives RM the right to refuse to deliver?

It's making me want to vote UKIP just to piss off all the bigoted idiots who are screaming about it as if baying for blood as they are is any different to the hatred they bleat about in the daily wail.

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I have no idea what you are talking about? Has something happened?

https://politicalscrapbook.net/2014/10/royal-mail-refuse-britain-first-rochester-by-election-leaflet/

And some peeps on my FB saying anyone who votes for anyone but labour is scum.

( I think if they were anti- all political parties I'd not be as offended, but labour voters get right up my nose!)

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And some peeps on my FB saying anyone who votes for anyone but labour is scum.

They probably are. The only bit that's wrong is the implication that those who vote Labour aren't. Almost everyone is scum who don't deserve the world and life they've got.

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https://politicalscrapbook.net/2014/10/royal-mail-refuse-britain-first-rochester-by-election-leaflet/

And some peeps on my FB saying anyone who votes for anyone but labour is scum.

( I think if they were anti- all political parties I'd not be as offended, but labour voters get right up my nose!)

It's the norm for "fringe" political parties. Like the BNP, and before it the National Front. We pay lip-service to democracy, but the ability to campaign or publicise yourself only applies if you're on the approved list. Without having heard of it, I guess "Britain First" might be in that tradition.

I think in the days of militant unions it occasionally happened to the tories, too.

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"Royal Mail has a legal obligation under the Representation of the People Act 1983 to deliver Parliamentary election mail. Royal Mail may refuse to carry election mail if we consider its contents to be illegal, for example if it is threatening, abusive or insulting or is intended to cause distress or anxiety."

I expect no more red gas bills, demands for Council tax, or Labour party leaflets.

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I think she is confusing Nationality with religion.

She should keep her baps covered though.

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It seems fair enough that RM can refuse to deliver if they feel the mail doesn't meet the requirements of the law. There is, of course, nothing wrong with BF challenging them on this.

I'm not fan of either UKIP, BF, Labour, Tories or any of the rest - but absolutely defend their right to present their arguments and try to persuade the electorate to vote for them (providing they stay within the law - even if the law is an ass).

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Delivering political leaflets by the RM is expensive and is likely to breach election rules on campaign expenses. Usually they are shoved through the letter boxes by party activists, councillors etc. If BF are paying for them to be delivered by RM my first query would not be about the contents but who is divvying up the cash to pay for it all. Anyway BF is full if ex BNP and NF people who are hard core fascists. They have not really got over the fact the Fuhrer failed to win World War 2. Maybe they need to spend more time doing the leg work required to get their leaflets through the door to voters. Why would anyone want to vote for a party whose members are too few or too idle to deliver a bit of paper in person.

BTW I can't see this having any impact on UKIP who currently have no problems finding activists to do this grunt work for them

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We can all be bigoted! Unfortunately, I am a minor Angel, so I am not! More than me job's worth! Thankyou God.

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It's the norm for "fringe" political parties. Like the BNP, and before it the National Front. We pay lip-service to democracy, but the ability to campaign or publicise yourself only applies if you're on the approved list. Without having heard of it, I guess "Britain First" might be in that tradition.

I think in the days of militant unions it occasionally happened to the tories, too.

I work in the public sector and there is a very small approved list. UKIP is a dirty word because it has actually unseated some of "our" (Labour) councillors and is looking like unseating more. It is odd as the clear implication is that the people, for whom we work, are being ungrateful / wrong / naughty by not voting for who they should be voting. I mean, how dare they after everything we've done for them?

The idea of esatblished / establishment parties is so ingrained here that you get an inkling of how the BBC generates its bias internally.

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I work in the public sector and there is a very small approved list. UKIP is a dirty word because it has actually unseated some of "our" (Labour) councillors and is looking like unseating more. It is odd as the clear implication is that the people, for whom we work, are being ungrateful / wrong / naughty by not voting for who they should be voting. I mean, how dare they after everything we've done for them?

The idea of esatblished / establishment parties is so ingrained here that you get an inkling of how the BBC generates its bias internally.

Public sector has been building empires in Diversity for years.

Diversity assume groups are in conflict, and its aim is to remove the conflict by FIAT and PC.

Clearly, ANY views like, "I dont want a foreign religion building a mega-mosque.synagogue/buddhist shrine/whatever" is against Public sector Policy from the off.

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Public sector has been building empires in Diversity for years.

Diversity assume groups are in conflict, and its aim is to remove the conflict by FIAT and PC.

Clearly, ANY views like, "I dont want a foreign religion building a mega-mosque.synagogue/buddhist shrine/whatever" is against Public sector Policy from the off.

There is that of course (Equality and Diversity courses are thought programming - "diversity is good" "all the same is bad") but i's more us and them. An outspoken independent group would be equally resented for breaking the cosy status quo.

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There is that of course (Equality and Diversity courses are thought programming - "diversity is good" "all the same is bad") but i's more us and them. An outspoken independent group would be equally resented for breaking the cosy status quo.

Although, it appears, that minorities are encouraged to be outspoken, whereas the others should allow them to be so.

But reverse it, protest against the minority, and that is very much frowned upon. Its like there is an ingrained "lets help the underdog" mentality. The big guys must accept change...

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Although, it appears, that minorities are encouraged to be outspoken, whereas the others should allow them to be so.

But reverse it, protest against the minority, and that is very much frowned upon. Its like there is an ingrained "lets help the underdog" mentality. The big guys must accept change...

There is. IMO it's part of the long shadow cast by our retreat from Empire. 18th and 19th century Britons built the biggest Empire the world has ever seen, and then after WWII we seemed to lose all of our confidence and ambition and end up always "trying to do the right thing" rather than defending and extending British interests.

It feels like we as a nation are in retirement, drawing in our borders, keeping our head down and apologising for things of which we should be proud.

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I work in the public sector and there is a very small approved list. UKIP is a dirty word because it has actually unseated some of "our" (Labour) councillors and is looking like unseating more. It is odd as the clear implication is that the people, for whom we work, are being ungrateful / wrong / naughty by not voting for who they should be voting. I mean, how dare they after everything we've done for them?

The idea of esatblished / establishment parties is so ingrained here that you get an inkling of how the BBC generates its bias internally.

Sounds like an extension of what I said about the tories sometimes falling victim to militant unions. I only hear about these things when they're newsworthy, whereas you I guess are exposed to a constant but lower-level version.

As for the BBC, one might say they're reaping what they've sowed, after a decade of building up UKIP (and before that the "referendum party") and giving Farage more airtime than any other politician yet without any kind of critical examination until the last year or so.

Although, it appears, that minorities are encouraged to be outspoken, whereas the others should allow them to be so.

But reverse it, protest against the minority, and that is very much frowned upon. Its like there is an ingrained "lets help the underdog" mentality. The big guys must accept change...

They preach one thing yet do the opposite. The NF and BNP were underdog parties, whose support derived from the fact that other groups competing with them were given such very public support while they (white working class) were at best ignored and at worst demonised. And they were the nice civilised end of victims groups when compared to the Zionists, the IRA, or today's militant Islamists.

On Topic for HPC, every government housing initiative since council houses has created underdogs. You help someone to get a leg up, and others who miss out on that help are further excluded and marginalised.

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I'm not a bigot!

I think the general 'UKIP are bigots' meme is not actually about bigotry...its a load of socialist entities that are afraid of a small govt, right wing party stopping their gravy train, but saying 'UKIP want to get taxpayers better value for money' isnt much of a criticism, so 'racism' will have to do.

I try and get my head round the lefts approach to equality and rights, but just cant. They hated apartheid south africa in the 70s and 80s for disenfranchising 80% of the population, and cut trade relations. Yet in the same era, they increased trade relations with China, a nation that politically disenfranchised 99.999% of the population.

So obviously its not about the state being a *******, its about the state being a ******* in a discrimitory fashion.

But then I look towards Hong Kong, where the left wing establishment apparently want to engineer that very same political apartheid, where 7 million people in HK get preferential political treatment to the other 1.2 billion chinese.

Organizations like Britain First OTOH get pilloried because a lot of the top brass have 'history' or criminal convictions. Perhaps BF is not bigoted in terms of policy...from my point of view at least...(as I think Islam is bigoted and a ideology worthy of continuous criticism and ostracism), but it attracts a lot of people who likely cant tell the line between noisily condemning Islam, and violently targeting muslims.

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The biggest bigots I've ever met were some Indian businessmen I had dealings with years ago, they really hated Pakistanis.

Was it because Pakistan has quite a good Cricket team? An Indian descended friend of mine, always has a crap when flying over Pakistan, in the hope that his stools fall on somebody's head!

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