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Labour will allow more homes to be built on parts of the protected Green Belt if the land has little “environmental or amenity value”.

The small print of the report which is expected to form the basis of housing policy, published Sir Michael Lyons, on Thursday discloses that Green Belt with little “environmental or amenity value” is at risk.

The report singles out the Green Belt around cities like Oxford, Cambridge, York and Bristol as ripe for development.

The news comes days after Eric Pickles, the Local Government secretary, set out new tougher protections for the Green Belt amid concerns that councils are sacrificing the protected land to meet local housing targets required under new planning rules. [more at link...]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/greenpolitics/planning/11169967/Revealed-Labour-plans-to-build-on-the-Green-Belt-if-it-wins-election.html

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The last stand of the old against the young before they quietly shuffle off this mortal coil.

I want to look upon this view and maybe if I close my eyes and hum the Jerusalem hymn loud enough, then everything can be like it was back in the 1950s, when the sun always shone, everyone knew their place, and England's green & pleasant land was unspoiled by the homes of the lower order.

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I have some land in Green belt, building goes on legally and not, the council just use it as a block yet a lot of the area would benefit from investment, there is Green and Greener belt,

Seems to me there should be more categories within greenbelt giving more flexibility

This title can be changed by the council at the pressing of the button anyway, my land has been brown belt, proposed green belt and green belt in the last 20 years

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Labour will allow more homes to be built on parts of the protected Green Belt if the land has little “environmental or amenity value”.

The small print of the report which is expected to form the basis of housing policy, published Sir Michael Lyons, on Thursday discloses that Green Belt with little “environmental or amenity value” is at risk.

The report singles out the Green Belt around cities like Oxford, Cambridge, York and Bristol as ripe for development.

The news comes days after Eric Pickles, the Local Government secretary, set out new tougher protections for the Green Belt amid concerns that councils are sacrificing the protected land to meet local housing targets required under new planning rules. [more at link...]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/greenpolitics/planning/11169967/Revealed-Labour-plans-to-build-on-the-Green-Belt-if-it-wins-election.html

York and Oxford have dreadful roads going into the centre and are utterly choccabloc at present.

There needs to be a little more planning then just sticking many thousands of houses on the outskirts of each.

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York and Oxford have dreadful roads going into the centre and are utterly choccabloc at present.

There needs to be a little more planning then just sticking many thousands of houses on the outskirts of each.

There needs to be more planning of infrastructure and less planning of where to put the houses. Let the volume house builders try to compete in a free market and they might need to improve the quality of their products.

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A link to the Lyons Review below. It's probably been posted before but it does no harm to post it again.


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www.yourbritain.org.uk/uploads/editor/files/The_Lyons_Housing_Review_2.pdf

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Excellent news!

It's really just common sense to liberate green belt land that's without “environmental or amenity value”, but against the background of Britain's sclerotic planning laws a bit of common sense still counts as excellent news.

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The report singles out the Green Belt around cities like Oxford, Cambridge, York and Bristol as ripe for development.

Precisely what is needed, and especially for Oxford and Cambridge which should be two places for that could be creating and sustaining a lot more "high-tech/cutting edge/knowledge" industry (although I know industries that actually produce something of value are frowned upon by Westminster).

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Mind you expect a lot of time consuming contests over what is “environmental or amenity value”. That is their get out clause. Some would say if it didn't have environmental or amenity value it wouldn't be in the green belt.

Just saying - remember it's the LibLabCon the proven renegers.

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The last stand of the old against the young before they quietly shuffle off this mortal coil.

I want to look upon this view and maybe if I close my eyes and hum the Jerusalem hymn loud enough, then everything can be like it was back in the 1950s, when the sun always shone, everyone knew their place, and England's green & pleasant land was unspoiled by the homes of the lower order.

Doesn`t change the fact that the need for building is overdone (in the media) Watch all the "shortage" memes disappear when house prices correct. This is just posturing by LieMore. If their Head Clown just came out and said "House prices are a function of credit, we were riding the coat tails of a global credit boom last time and we got greedy, it will be regulated next time, we control the bankers, not them controlling us" or something like that, I would probably vote for him. Chances are they won`t say stuff like this though.

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Labour will allow more homes to be built on parts of the protected Green Belt if the land has little “environmental or amenity value”.

The small print of the report which is expected to form the basis of housing policy, published Sir Michael Lyons, on Thursday discloses that Green Belt with little “environmental or amenity value” is at risk.

The report singles out the Green Belt around cities like Oxford, Cambridge, York and Bristol as ripe for development.

The news comes days after Eric Pickles, the Local Government secretary, set out new tougher protections for the Green Belt amid concerns that councils are sacrificing the protected land to meet local housing targets required under new planning rules. [more at link...]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/greenpolitics/planning/11169967/Revealed-Labour-plans-to-build-on-the-Green-Belt-if-it-wins-election.html

Excellent, that should redistribute some wealth to the people who need it.

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Doesn`t change the fact that the need for building is overdone (in the media) Watch all the "shortage" memes disappear when house prices correct. This is just posturing by LieMore. If their Head Clown just came out and said "House prices are a function of credit, we were riding the coat tails of a global credit boom last time and we got greedy, it will be regulated next time, we control the bankers, not them controlling us" or something like that, I would probably vote for him. Chances are they won`t say stuff like this though.

The need for building on green built is overdone by the big house builders. Guess were they make the most profit by 4/5 bed executive slave boxes on green built land close to motorway junctions.

Demand for housing is driven by two things need and speculation. The need component is much smaller than appreciated by many on here and the price increases are driven by speculation. The supply of housing was increasing up to 2008 the crash that occur outside London was driven by oversupply and a fall away of speculative demand.

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There needs to be more planning of infrastructure and less planning of where to put the houses. Let the volume house builders try to compete in a free market and they might need to improve the quality of their products.

+1.

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The need for building on green built is overdone by the big house builders. Guess were they make the most profit by 4/5 bed executive slave boxes on green built land close to motorway junctions.

Demand for housing is driven by two things need and speculation. The need component is much smaller than appreciated by many on here and the price increases are driven by speculation. The supply of housing was increasing up to 2008 the crash that occur outside London was driven by oversupply and a fall away of speculative demand.

Yep, so people can get on the hamster wheel quickly in the morning to pay off the big loan. You are right about speculation, and that was a MASSIVE component of this bubble IMO.

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Doesn`t change the fact that the need for building is overdone (in the media) Watch all the "shortage" memes disappear when house prices correct. This is just posturing by LieMore. If their Head Clown just came out and said "House prices are a function of credit, we were riding the coat tails of a global credit boom last time and we got greedy, it will be regulated next time, we control the bankers, not them controlling us" or something like that, I would probably vote for him. Chances are they won`t say stuff like this though.

Maybe, but since England is growing at 2.5 times the rate of Scotland, we need to put all those extra people somewhere. Either we stuff them into our already overcrowded cities, or relax the green belt.

"The estimated population increased in England by 0.7% to 53.9 million, in Scotland by 0.27% to 5.3 million, in Wales by 0.27% to 3.1 million, and in Northern Ireland by 0.33% to 1.8 million."

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I remember they were selling off parcels of green belt land for next to nothing around ten years ago....told then never a chance it would get planning permission.

There are people with vested interests that would be very pleased indeed if green land was allowed to be built on.....doesn't mean it would be any cheaper for those that would like to live on it....only the land owners win, something that cost say £2k becomes worth say £100k or more overnight all depending. ;)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/investing/8554213/Youll-never-get-planning-consent.html

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I have skimmed through the Lyons review and anyone thinking the proposals are going to address the problems of housing supply in the UK are going to be disappointed.

Although it recognises that lack of available land for building is a problem it rules that "fundamental upheaval in the planning system should be avoided". Unfortunately a fundamental upheaval is exactly what is needed to sort out the housing situation in this country. If Labour adopt this report as their housing policy they will fail to meet their (inadequate) target of 200k homes per year.

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