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Merthyr Council Considers 'sack-And-Take-Back' Pay Move

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Merthyr Tydfil councillors will today discuss plans which could see staff wages cut and all authority employees made to take unpaid leave.

A special council meeting will take place today at 3pm where proposals include what unions have described as the “enforcement” of 3.5 days of unpaid leave for each member of the workforce, cutting wages by 3%, and reducing the length of the working week to 36 hours.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/merthyr-council-could-vote-reduce-7937225

Staff at Merthyr Tydfil council could be dismissed and re-employed on lower pay to save money.

If there is no agreement on pay cuts of up to 3%, the authority could begin dismissing 1,254 staff just before Christmas, offering new contracts on the reduced terms.

Options include a collective agreement with unions on a three-year pay cut deal.

But if no deal is struck by 21 December, it is proposed Merthyr's chief executive would be given the power to send out the dismissal notices.

It is expected the new contracts would include permanent pay cuts. Any reductions in pay or hours would also hit pensions.

Union leaders say the move would break Merthyr Tydfil from a national joint council agreement.

The proposal does not involve teachers or school support workers.

Finally getting around to what Councils in the US did in 2008 once the financial crisis begun and which subsequently was followed by the Irish, Portugeuse, Greeks, etc.

Teachers appear to be special though. What away to sow the seeds of discontent between Council workers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-29623758

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I wonder if they cut the working week productivity will remain the same?

Would anyone notice? :)

The Welsh Assembly reduced budgets to Welsh Councils last week. Looks like Merthyr Council is first out of the gates with this kind of thing. I imagine the other Welsh Councils are watching with interest.

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http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/merthyr-council-could-vote-reduce-7937225

Finally getting around to what Councils in the US did in 2008 once the financial crisis begun and which subsequently was followed by the Irish, Portugeuse, Greeks, etc.

Teachers appear to be special though. What away to sow the seeds of discontent between Council workers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-29623758

Bet it will only be the low paid and not the fat cats in non-jobs!

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Can't believe this would be remotely legal...just end up spending an ever diminshing pot of local authority cash on lawyers.

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Can't believe this would be remotely legal...just end up spending an ever diminshing pot of local authority cash on lawyers.

I believe it is leagal if they change the job designation - i.e. binman to refuse hygeine specialist.

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Can't believe this would be remotely legal...just end up spending an ever diminshing pot of local authority cash on lawyers.

it is.

a couple of years ago our company was in a similar predicament.

we had a choice between laying off 3 people or going to a reduced hours week(from 37.5 to 35) with pro rata pay cut.

ultimately it was left to the staff to decide in consultation with management, it wasn't easy.

but the reduction in working hours was agreed in order to keep headcount...we went to 1/2 day friday which was a reasonable comprimise.

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it is.

a couple of years ago our company was in a similar predicament.

we had a choice between laying off 3 people or going to a reduced hours week(from 37.5 to 35) with pro rata pay cut.

ultimately it was left to the staff to decide in consultation with management, it wasn't easy.

but the reduction in working hours was agreed in order to keep headcount...we went to 1/2 day friday which was a reasonable comprimise.

While you may all have lost a bit of pay, I bet you all love the half day Friday.

This seems to me as the best option, unless of course you are in so much debt that 3% less is untenable.

As for sacking them, how much will that cost in redundancy and what happens if your most experienced staff say sod you I am not coming back or I'll come back in X months once the redundancy money runs out.

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Won't they have to pay redundancy? This could cost a fortune for the supposed 3% return.

Redundancy implies a role is being discontinued. If they're re-employing the same staff in the same roles, it would be hard to argue redundancy: rather it would be dismissal. And the staff in question would seem to have a pretty watertight case for it being unfair dismissal, which makes it a whole lot more serious than redundancy.

I expect the costs of redundancy would indeed be huge. But dwarfed by the costs of unfair dismissal.

I'm guessing two things about this, over and above the obvious fact that someone is channelling taxpayers money to lawyers:

  • There's more to the story than we've been told.
  • Somewhere in there is the classic Labour/Guardianista mentality employment laws are for evil capitalists and don't apply to us.

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While you may all have lost a bit of pay, I bet you all love the half day Friday.

This seems to me as the best option, unless of course you are in so much debt that 3% less is untenable.

As for sacking them, how much will that cost in redundancy and what happens if your most experienced staff say sod you I am not coming back or I'll come back in X months once the redundancy money runs out.

well I did argue that dong a longer day monday-thursday and close friday would be better still as people would not need toarrange for childacre, and save on commuting costs, but sadly couldn't get that one through

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