BlueRat Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 And her charming husband is not pleased: http://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2014/oct/07/campaign-psychic-sally-morgan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fully Detached Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I find it impossible to believe that anyone with an iota of spiritual understanding would want to be married to such a character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC1 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Vile scammer scum. If he hasn't taken this to the police and made a formal complaint then he's an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Possitt Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 It does beg the question that if she is any good at her job why didn't she warn him weeks ago not to hand out the leaflets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Sadman Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Husband should consider a career in politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Bear Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 This person is conveniently ignoring the fact that the sort of people who go to this type of event WANT to believe in it. Some people do derive comfort from such a belief, and I can't see that mostly, apart from their ticket price, it is doing them much harm. They will almost certainly already know that most people would be scornful or sceptical. Personally I would think that scam prevention would be better directed at boiler rooms and many other scams that deprive the vulnerable/gullible of many thousands, and sometimes their entire life savings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC1 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I think you're possibly underestimating the gullibility of great swathes of the population who do believe in this stuff Actually I do allow room in my worldview for this kind of thing to be a possibility, at least in in theory. But I suspect that those with any genuine ESP talent aren't the ones touring these venues and charging £25 a pop (or whatever it may be). My real issue is with her thug family threatening and throwing disgusting abuse at someone who is doing nothing wrong, not the fact that 'Psychic Sally' has made a career out of this stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I wouldn't have a husband like that, even if I were a woman! He is severely short of "angel juice"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Uttley Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Some people do derive comfort from such a belief, and I can't see that mostly, apart from their ticket price, it is doing them much harm. Except when it does..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueRat Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share Posted October 13, 2014 Bit of a spoiler, but at the end of this talk by Paul Zenon he has two anecdotes on the harm these people do. The first one was an NHS nurse who told him they have had many old people duped by psychics and one old lady lay on her death bed and spoke of the regret that she'd spent all her life's savings on these "bastards", leaving no inheritance for her family. The second was a chap who had lost his wife at 40. Normally didn't take any interest in this stuff but with the grief he ended up going to see a psychic who told him that his wife was in heaven and was happy and waiting to see him. The next week he topped himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 People always say - "they told me something they could never have known" Isn't that just like a magic trick before you are told how its done ? Very quick to move from 'impossible' to ' ah I see now its so obvious' . Not that I am completely against people having strange 'powers' - but even if that's true - there must be loads of shysters about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 People always say - "they told me something they could never have known" Isn't that just like a magic trick before you are told how its done ? Very quick to move from 'impossible' to ' ah I see now its so obvious' . Not that I am completely against people having strange 'powers' - but even if that's true - there must be loads of shysters about. Based on the rant from her husband it sounds like the way they find out these days is by trawling people's social media profiles for clues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Allegro Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 If the leaflet in question is this one here, http://goodthinkingsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/psychics_leaflet.png I can't see anything libellous about it. It's actually very respectful and is not criticising spiritualism itself, only those who fraudulently use it. I would have thought Mr Tilbrook would have a fairly good legal case against the potty-mouthed gentleman. He made threats of violence and also asserted several times that Mr Tilbrook was a homosexual and sodomite - a point which was sufficient to start the Oscar Wilde trial - but perhaps (assuming it's not true) that's not considered defamatory any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Based on the rant from her husband it sounds like the way they find out these days is by trawling people's social media profiles for clues. Wouldn't surprise me at all. My burd quite believes in them - she went to one with her pals - her pal was in and was asked something really detailed about a trip abroad or something like that. She had no clue but realised my burd had just been to that place. So she shouted her in and she was then told something 'she could not have known' . I did point out that if she was indeed psychic - she would have known she had the wrong person !! Didn't work. It really does seem to be a burd thing. All the shows you see must be at least 90% female. Wonder why that is ? Blokes generally more cynical ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Allegro Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Wouldn't surprise me at all. My burd quite believes in them - she went to one with her pals - her pal was in and was asked something really detailed about a trip abroad or something like that. She had no clue but realised my burd had just been to that place. So she shouted her in and she was then told something 'she could not have known' . I did point out that if she was indeed psychic - she would have known she had the wrong person !! Didn't work. It really does seem to be a burd thing. All the shows you see must be at least 90% female. Wonder why that is ? Blokes generally more cynical ? Men tend to be more rational and materially minded. Women are more into feelings and emotions. I think they're also more likely to get caught up in group-think and the 'mood' of an event than men. So they're more likely to say things like 'I know it might all be a fake and they use tricks and that but somehow I just FELT that mum really was there, watching over me' etc etc. I watched an interesting programme about psychics and about a training course for psychics. I believe they were all genuine people who thought they had a 'gift' - but you could see that they were well on the way to self-delusion about how they had a special power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Allegro Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 BTW Mrs Morgan has now sacked her husband and son in law over the incident and implies it has jeopardised her marriage: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/psychic-sally-morgan-sacks-husband-after-film-catches-antigay-attack-on-critic-9792274.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Men tend to be more rational and materially minded. Women are more into feelings and emotions. I think they're also more likely to get caught up in group-think and the 'mood' of an event than men. So they're more likely to say things like 'I know it might all be a fake and they use tricks and that but somehow I just FELT that mum really was there, watching over me' etc etc. I watched an interesting programme about psychics and about a training course for psychics. I believe they were all genuine people who thought they had a 'gift' - but you could see that they were well on the way to self-delusion about how they had a special power. Derren brown show on it was pretty interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueRat Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share Posted October 13, 2014 BTW Mrs Morgan has now sacked her husband and son in law over the incident and implies it has jeopardised her marriage: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/psychic-sally-morgan-sacks-husband-after-film-catches-antigay-attack-on-critic-9792274.html Lies upon lies to protect that golden goose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozen_out Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Did she not see this coming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Allegro Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Bit of a spoiler, but at the end of this talk by Paul Zenon he has two anecdotes on the harm these people do. The first one was an NHS nurse who told him they have had many old people duped by psychics and one old lady lay on her death bed and spoke of the regret that she'd spent all her life's savings on these "bastards", leaving no inheritance for her family. The second was a chap who had lost his wife at 40. Normally didn't take any interest in this stuff but with the grief he ended up going to see a psychic who told him that his wife was in heaven and was happy and waiting to see him. The next week he topped himself. Probably the most extreme example was one Thomas Lynn Bradford, who killed himself in 1921 to prove he could communicate from the spirit world. To date, no contact with him has been made. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Lynn_Bradford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Hovis Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 BTW Mrs Morgan has now sacked her husband and son in law over the incident and implies it has jeopardised her marriage: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/psychic-sally-morgan-sacks-husband-after-film-catches-antigay-attack-on-critic-9792274.html That's unfair on her son-in-law. The husband was scum but the son-in-law was being polite and reasonable. I confess to being a bit credulous at these sort of things and did go to watch Doris Stokes. Who as it turns out was an out-and-out fraud. Ah well, the world turns and grows a little bit colder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozen_out Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 That's unfair on her son-in-law. The husband was scum but the son-in-law was being polite and reasonable. I confess to being a bit credulous at these sort of things and did go to watch Doris Stokes. Who as it turns out was an out-and-out fraud. Ah well, the world turns and grows a little bit colder. They're all charlatans. I recall listening to Derek Acorah on the radio many years ago. He always used to ask leading questions about names that the caller was associated with e.g. I'm getting an S, maybe a Sarah, or a Sally or a Susan, then the caller would predictably say something like: my wife's dead uncle was called Sam... And he's in.Until one day a Pakistani got through. He never mentioned a name. Funny that, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Hovis Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 They're all charlatans. I recall listening to Derek Acorah on the radio many years ago. He always used to ask leading questions about names that the caller was associated with e.g. I'm getting an S, maybe a Sarah, or a Sally or a Susan, then the caller would predictably say something like: my wife's dead uncle was called Sam... And he's in. Until one day a Pakistani got through. He never mentioned a name. Funny that, eh? I believe we don't know everything, and that there is something underlying ESP. I have heard of very isolated incidents that I would struggle to explain in any other way. This does however lead me to be persuaded that certain individuals can have a high level of this. But I have yet to see this as proven in anybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozen_out Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I believe we don't know everything, and that there is something underlying ESP. I have heard of very isolated incidents that I would struggle to explain in any other way. This does however lead me to be persuaded that certain individuals can have a high level of this. But I have yet to see this as proven in anybody. I have family members who have been to see a medium, and they tell the usual story of being told things the medium couldn't have known. I'm inclined to believe there's something in it, but probably not talking to the dead. On the other hand I believe that people practicing the art for money/fame are immoral leeches and most likely charlatans of no real use to anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnionTerror Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I have family members who have been to see a medium, and they tell the usual story of being told things the medium couldn't have known. I'm inclined to believe there's something in it, but probably not talking to the dead. On the other hand I believe that people practicing the art for money/fame are immoral leeches and most likely charlatans of no real use to anyone. My mum and my sister have regularly used a clairvoyant, and they come back and say "oh this and this will happen..." What I suspect happens is that the medium, clairvoyant, whoever asks leading questions without the participant even knowing it, and they can judge what questions to ask from these answers, and tell the participant what they want to hear.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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