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Just been invited to a Trafalgar Day lunch (21st October) - they have been on about moving the May Day holiday for years, and I see this did not get off the ground ..

Move the holiday to the October half term to create a new UK national holiday. This
could either by a “UK Day” to create a new ‘national day’ for the country as a whole
or it could commemorate military victories such as Trafalgar Day instead. As with the
St George’s Day proposal above, it would give us an opportunity to be patriotic where
none exists at present, help to strengthen the Union and underpin the Big Society too.
From the tourism industry’s perspective it would prolong the season effectively,
complement recent moves to build up Hallowe’en and Bonfire Night into larger and
more serious national celebrations, and create stronger incentives to celebrate in the
UK as well. As an extra bonus, celebrating UK Day in late October should stop retailers
from putting up their Christmas decorations until after it’s finished too.
Thing is though, it is a good idea. Can't help thinking that they pinched it though ... http://www.yorkshireridings.org/news/yorkshire-day.html

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Why move it instead of having another?

I don't like the "complement recent moves to build up Hallowe’en and Bonfire Night into larger and more serious national celebrations" bit though, they've got a bit out of control. If a Trafalgar Day holiday distracts from those then even better.

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Why move it instead of having another?

I don't like the "complement recent moves to build up Hallowe’en and Bonfire Night into larger and more serious national celebrations" bit though, they've got a bit out of control. If a Trafalgar Day holiday distracts from those then even better.

If you combine Halloween and Traflagar Day then all the jolly Jar Tars can legitimately prance around in their Rocky Horror outfits.

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If you combine Halloween and Traflagar Day then all the jolly Jar Tars can legitimately prance around in their Rocky Horror outfits.

Does not bare thinking about, eh Janet?

sailor_bubba.jpg

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Does not bare thinking about, eh Janet?

sailor_bubba.jpg

There are two things that distrub me about this photo:

1. That such costumes come in that size.

2. The shins appear to be covered by part of a Wonderwoman costume... or is it a Supergirl costume.... so does this mean that this fine gentlemen has such a costume at home also?

I do hope that he is not the master's mate aboard our new aircraft carrier :lol:

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Trafalgar day you can keep......but National Pirate day needs to be extended......what say you me hearties!

Keel-haul the lot of them, Lieutenant! I have a Ship to run! There's able semen left!

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AHHHH.....HAAAAAAAAAA!! Pass me a serving wench.....or two!

You want to get to Hawaii, with the Portguese sailors! In 1880 something! They had Ukuleles! The Hawaiian Queen thought they were smashing!

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OK, I`m not a real pirate......but where else can I practice saying pirate like things?

And I checked the map, could n`t find this Hawaai place, suspect it`s been overrun by marauding Japanese Honeymoon couples by now.

Maybe I should open a pub and call it "Black Beards retreat `......reminds me of the wife.

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Hardly surprising that the Tories want to bury a holiday traditionally associated with workers solidarity.

I'd be happy if they wanted to create an additional holiday - but what's the betting that's not on the cards.

Having some kind of holiday to break up the run up to Christmas gloom would be nice - but why not November 5th, or 31st October?

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This 'commemoration' of military victories sounds suspiciously like celebration.

Perhaps we should have a Peterloo Day, or celebrate the Suez invasion. A Dresden street party would be fun, or perhaps something more modern like Carpet Bombing Iraq Day.

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The day after rememberance Sunday could make sense, about the right time and there's a certain amount of logic in it without being overly cringeworthy.

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What about the Duke of Wellington's birthday?

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October half term traditionally in England is always the last week of the Month so to late for the 'official day'.

The idea has some merit but in the days of ever closer EU integration can anyone really see the idea of a Trafalgar Day taking off? Lets just have a quick think about what the battle of Trafalgar was about!!

Bit like having an Agincourt day (far more gratifying victory by English archers against far superior numbers of French Knights) or Berlin day....

The Orange order in NI still commemorate the Battle of the Boyne (fought in 1690) and have marches through the streets pipe bands and drums ect. The other half of the population chuck rocks at them!!

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This 'commemoration' of military victories sounds suspiciously like celebration.

Perhaps we should have a Peterloo Day, or celebrate the Suez invasion. A Dresden street party would be fun, or perhaps something more modern like Carpet Bombing Iraq Day.

Personally I think the defeat of Napoleon is something worthy of celebration, but then perhaps some of Britain's socialists might have a soft spot for the Terror.

The fall of the Berlin Wall might be a more Europe-friendly celebration, but again, some of our friends on the left in Britain might not be too happy about it.

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I am all for commemorating the fallen, even if, with modern hindsight, the campaigns they fought in where not so neatly virtuous as they appeared in their time. But celebrating battle victories jars with me, even if they were necessary battles.

Even from a military point of view, achieving objectives by other means than conflict is preferable, and every battle fought, in that sense, is a failure.

I just envisage 'commemoration' being hijacked by Little Englanders and turned into a backward-looking, jingoistic exercise in xenophobia.

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I just envisage 'commemoration' being hijacked by Little Englanders and turned into a backward-looking, jingoistic exercise in xenophobia.

Can't celeberate our high points any more eh? The fact that at one point in time someone managed to achieve something remarkable even if it was a war? Can't do anything in case it offends someone, can't do anything in case a few small-minded jerks try to screw around with it, that's part of what it means to be British nowdays. With an attitude like that bring on some backward-looking stuff please, since all I see looking forward is an ever-increasing fvck-up.

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I am all for commemorating the fallen, even if, with modern hindsight, the campaigns they fought in where not so neatly virtuous as they appeared in their time. But celebrating battle victories jars with me, even if they were necessary battles.

Even from a military point of view, achieving objectives by other means than conflict is preferable, and every battle fought, in that sense, is a failure.

I just envisage 'commemoration' being hijacked by Little Englanders and turned into a backward-looking, jingoistic exercise in xenophobia.

Living abroad, I've really started to value some of the things about the British constitution, particularly things like common law and a civilian, as opposed to paramilitary, police force.

One thing that we ought to celebrate more is the Glorious Revolution of 1688, when Britain became a parliamentary democracy and a constitutional, as opposed to absolute, monarchy. It was just as important as any other European revolution, but isn't remembered because nobody got killed and it all happened in an orderly way!

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One thing that we ought to celebrate more is the Glorious Revolution of 1688, when Britain became a parliamentary democracy and a constitutional, as opposed to absolute, monarchy. It was just as important as any other European revolution, but isn't remembered because nobody got killed and it all happened in an orderly way!

But James finally left for France on December 23rd.

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Can't celeberate our high points any more eh? The fact that at one point in time someone managed to achieve something remarkable even if it was a war? Can't do anything in case it offends someone, can't do anything in case a few small-minded jerks try to screw around with it, that's part of what it means to be British nowdays. With an attitude like that bring on some backward-looking stuff please, since all I see looking forward is an ever-increasing fvck-up.

Of course, we can. Let's have Tim Berners-Lee pick a nominal date in mid Nov for when his first web server/client went online - and we can all celebrate that. Rather do that that celebrate lots of people dying.

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Of course, we can. Let's have Tim Berners-Lee pick a nominal date in mid Nov for when his first web server/client went online - and we can all celebrate that. Rather do that that celebrate lots of people dying.

I was going to say, there are hundreds of people in the history of the UK that have had a huge effect on the world in general without spilling any blood and have been a force for good, Tim Berners-Lee being a more recent one, but James Watt, Shakespeare (could link that up with St. Georges day), Darwin, Watson and Crick, plenty of things to celebrate and focus on.

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