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"build As Many Houses As We Need" - Milliband

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This is Ed Milliband's fifth of six national goals (over a ten year timeframe).

Questions:

1 - So how many is that, then?

2

Is that to house the UK population or the planet with non existent border controls ?

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His previous commitment was 200,000 p.a. by 2020 which, given there's a need for c. 250,000 p.a. but less than half that being built means there will still be an annual supply shortfall in 6 years to add to the shortfall of c 500,000 since 2009 and the pre-existing shortfall in supply prior to that.

It secures an ongoing supply imbalance = continually rising house prices.

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His previous commitment was 200,000 p.a. by 2020 which, given there's a need for c. 250,000 p.a. but less than half that being built means there will still be an annual supply shortfall in 6 years to add to the shortfall of c 500,000 since 2009 and the pre-existing shortfall in supply prior to that.

It secures an ongoing supply imbalance = continually rising house prices.

There are already enough houses, just too many multiple owners hogging BTL etc. He wants the priced out to hear "Prices will drop" and the greedy HPI`ists to think "We don`t need any round our way". Hopefully global events will just overtake the UK and we have to face the music, this guy and his ilk are average actors at best, anything they say is just to gain traction in polls they will never enact any of it.

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Watching him today (for the few seconds that I could bear ) he looks like he has been at some drama/expression worshop, a bit like Brown with being taught how to smile etc. All B.S, everything they say is shite. I see Balls has resurfaced, that has got to be a warning to the country?

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Just build lots of council houses.

We have a housing benefit bill of £20b a year.

£20b would build 200k top quality houses.

Can anyone make a serious argument against just building lots of publicly owned houses on publicly owned land? It seems perverse not to.

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Just build lots of council houses.

We have a housing benefit bill of £20b a year.

£20b would build 200k top quality houses.

Can anyone make a serious argument against just building lots of publicly owned houses on publicly owned land? It seems perverse not to.

We don`t need them, otherwise they would be built by now? The HB thing is a fair point, but that was re-directed as part of boosting the Ponzi for their banker masters. I am hearing a lot recently about people returning to Poland etc. There is not going to be the massive demand that housing VI`s pray for IMO.

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We don`t need them, otherwise they would be built by now? The HB thing is a fair point, but that was re-directed as part of boosting the Ponzi for their banker masters. I am hearing a lot recently about people returning to Poland etc. There is not going to be the massive demand that housing VI`s pray for IMO.

We can't afford to build at these prices. The national debt is up 7.3% yoy. The existing Ponzi would collapse. There's no demand (see Prime London thread) etc.

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Just build lots of council houses.

We have a housing benefit bill of £20b a year.

£20b would build 200k top quality houses.

Can anyone make a serious argument against just building lots of publicly owned houses on publicly owned land? It seems perverse not to.

They would rather sell the land to superstores for shopping than build housing.....maybe now is the time to turn the land from building shops into building homes ...only problem is people need jobs to pay rent, council homes were not designed to house the unemployed they were designed to house the low paid, and there is the cost of upkeep and maintenance, insurance etc.

So yes all for building new homes for low paid working families on say long two to five year renewable leases.

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We can't afford to build at these prices. The national debt is up 7.3% yoy. The existing Ponzi would collapse. There's no demand (see Prime London thread) etc.

And yet if another bank goes crashing, they'll somehow manage to find £50-£100 BILLION to prop it up.

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Depends what he means by how many we need.

A speculator would need none at all.

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we would have less need for house if labour had not allowed mass uncontrolled immigration from Europe and taught our young people to do useful jobs instead of getting a fully trained pole in.

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Just build lots of council houses.

We have a housing benefit bill of £20b a year.

£20b would build 200k top quality houses.

Can anyone make a serious argument against just building lots of publicly owned houses on publicly owned land? It seems perverse not to.

Its 24 billion and rising.

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we would have less need for house if labour had not allowed mass uncontrolled immigration from Europe and taught our young people to do useful jobs instead of getting a fully trained pole in.

Theyre not fully trained i bet youd struggle to find a Pole who has done an apprenticeship, most are chancers with a bit of common sense ... but willing to work for less.

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And yet if another bank goes crashing, they'll somehow manage to find £50-£100 BILLION to prop it up.

I'm not sure they could now. Not without tipping the UK into a debt spiral. I think we're going to find out soon enough.

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We can't afford to build at these prices.

Building is cheap: 40k per 3 bed house when done at scale including utility infrastructure. Its the land thats expensive but the government has (or can acquire by legislation) as much as it needs. The only thing missing is the will ...

Edited by goldbug9999

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The only thing missing is the will ...

Theirs or ours?

We managed to get a million to march about them lobbing a few bombs around thousands of miles away.

A critical issue on our own turf and....nothing.

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Theyre not fully trained i bet youd struggle to find a Pole who has done an apprenticeship, most are chancers with a bit of common sense ... but willing to work for less.

Wouldn't the Polish system follow the old Communist/CEE system of teenagers going to either high school (with a view to university study or white collar work), vocational school (with a view to going into blue collar work), and technical school (with a view to going into skilled blue collar work or further study)? So you're unlikely to meet many Poles (or other central/east europeans) with an apprenticeship as we know them.

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Wouldn't the Polish system follow the old Communist/CEE system of teenagers going to either high school (with a view to university study or white collar work), vocational school (with a view to going into blue collar work), and technical school (with a view to going into skilled blue collar work or further study)? So you're unlikely to meet many Poles (or other central/east europeans) with an apprenticeship as we know them.

That sounds like quite a good system.

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Building is cheap: 40k per 3 bed house when done at scale including utility infrastructure. Its the land thats expensive but the government has (or can acquire by legislation) as much as it needs. The only thing missing is the will ...

That's really what I was trying to say. The govt won't do anything to upset the Ponzi system that makes land (and building) prohibitively expensive.

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