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Bit shocked that the British have been privatising everything, yet our euro partners have not, I just found out that even restaurant chains are own by the state.

Jusr wondering why the Uk listens to the EU for privatisation, when other nations dont specially France and Germany. I find it very strange that most of the EU have privatised everything yet France and Germany havent.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11094271/French-call-for-ban-on-free-refills-of-fizzy-drinks.html

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I just found out that even restaurant chains are own by the state.

The CDC who own Quick are a bit like the French IG Farben, not exactly a reference, unless you don't like Jews I suppose.

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Sweden look likely to have voted green and red after all sorts of scandals RE: privitisation of various things (worse services, higher costs, and companies taking the mickey).

The big difference in France and Germany is that their centre-right and right parties aren't all convinced privitisation is a quick cure all. And they still have a left wing party that has a working class base (because that working class wasn't blown out of the water and onto benefits over the past 30 years by successive governments).

The right in this country have become an offshoot of the Republican party (which is why I walked away from the Tories and would never vote UKIP, who seem frankly more Republican).

That's not to say certain things aren't privatised in France and Germany - they are of course. It's just not the be all and end all ideology that it's become here thanks to all that lovely lobbying.

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The big difference in France and Germany is that their centre-right and right parties aren't all convinced privitisation is a quick cure all. And they still have a left wing party that has a working class base (because that working class wasn't blown out of the water and onto benefits over the past 30 years by successive governments).

The French working class is largely on the dole these days and who do the working class vote for in France? The Front National. The Parti socialiste's base, such that it still exists, is largely immigrants and champagne socialists - well off people who think it is cool to vote PS, although I note that even Yannick Noah (and they don't come more right on than tax avoiding socialist mega star Yannick) has given up on them. Another French leftie (Laurent Ruquier) media luvvie has said "at least with Sarkozy half the country were happy, under the Socialists everybody is fed up".

Govt run companies are a good place for politicians to give jobs to their friends, that is why the ueber-corrupt politicos of France like them. It doesn't make them well run, a case in point the Mont Blanc Tunnel company was a nice sinecure for washed up politicians such as former Prime Minister Edouard Balladur. 38 people died in a tunnel fire which was compounded by a lax safety record under his watch.

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It is quite astonishing that the French seem to nationalise profitable businesses (Quick et al), yet the British seem to only nationalise or heavily fund just the skint ones ( Lloyds TSB and other banks).

Anything that make a profit seems to get sold off to their mates.

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Transcription error. The government had a steak in the restaurant.

The Burgers of Calais?

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It is quite astonishing that the French seem to nationalise profitable businesses (Quick et al), yet the British seem to only nationalise or heavily fund just the skint ones ( Lloyds TSB and other banks).................

..that's because Lloyds had to be rescued after taking on Halifax / Bank of Scotland some say under some pressure or leaning from the Labour Government ..and nobody else would bale out such a mess ....and the tax payers rescue of RBS was similar in that nobody else would look at it and there would have been complete UK financial melt-down if that investment had not been made by a Labour Government linked to the Knighted Head of the Scottish Bank.... :rolleyes:

Anything that make a profit seems to get sold off to their mates.

..I've always felt this is one area where the press could investigate more ....but don't........ :rolleyes:

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..that's because Lloyds had to be rescued after taking on Halifax / Bank of Scotland some say under some pressure or leaning from the Labour Government ..and nobody else would bale out such a mess ....and the tax payers rescue of RBS was similar in that nobody else would look at it and there would have been complete UK financial melt-down if that investment had not been made by a Labour Government linked to the Knighted Head of the Scottish Bank.... :rolleyes:

..I've always felt this is one area where the press could investigate more ....but don't........ :rolleyes:

I hate Nu Labour as much as the next man, but how can we blame them here, when the Tories - in opposition - did not oppose the bail out?

Blaming Labour lets this useless bunch of self serving Tory d-heads off the hook IMHO. They would have done the same

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..that's because Lloyds had to be rescued after taking on Halifax / Bank of Scotland some say under some pressure or leaning from the Labour Government ..and nobody else would bale out such a mess ....and the tax payers rescue of RBS was similar in that nobody else would look at it and there would have been complete UK financial melt-down if that investment had not been made by a Labour Government linked to the Knighted Head of the Scottish Bank.... :rolleyes:

..I've always felt this is one area where the press could investigate more ....but don't........ :rolleyes:

I hate Nu Labour as much as the next man, but how can we blame them here, when the Tories - in opposition - did not oppose the bail out?

Blaming Labour lets this useless bunch of self serving Tory d-heads off the hook IMHO. They would have done the same, and in fact have at times gone to greater lengths to protect the banksters than Nu Labour.

Sickening political landscape right now.

UKIP voters are predominantly morons, but you can see why people are clamouring for a protest vote.

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It is quite astonishing that the French seem to nationalise profitable businesses (Quick et al), yet the British seem to only nationalise or heavily fund just the skint ones ( Lloyds TSB and other banks).

Anything that make a profit seems to get sold off to their mates.

When the French state bought Quick, they paid a premium of more than 20% on the market price. Much of that extra money went to the billionaire owner of the largest stake in the company at the time. The marginal tax take on a middle/working class self-employed builder in France is about 50%. Those are the people funding these state-directed handouts to billionaires, and people on this site view that as a sign of social justice???

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When the French state bought Quick, they paid a premium of more than 20% on the market price. Much of that extra money went to the billionaire owner of the largest stake in the company at the time. The marginal tax take on a middle/working class self-employed builder in France is about 50%. Those are the people funding these state-directed handouts to billionaires, and people on this site view that as a sign of social justice???

Don't view it as social justice at all.

We've done exactly the same. Overpaid for broken banks.

In Quicks defence - it is returning a profit to the tax payer in France (although I agree they overpaid). Doubt we'll ever get all the money we poured into the financial district via quantitive easing and bailing back.

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Bit shocked that the British have been privatising everything, yet our euro partners have not, I just found out that even restaurant chains are own by the state.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11094271/French-call-for-ban-on-free-refills-of-fizzy-drinks.html

You were supposed to be shocked that the French Gov backed chain was giving people 'health hazardous' fizzy drinks.

Obviously, the article missed its target with you.

But as another poster said, it's all a carve up (not that you can carve a steak hache) and down to lobbyists.

Possibly, the reluctant French agreed to legitimise Red Bull energy drinks in return for the EU overlooking their relations with Quick.

Three deaths linked to energy drinks

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The French working class is largely on the dole these days and who do the working class vote for in France? The Front National. The Parti socialiste's base, such that it still exists, is largely immigrants and champagne socialists - well off people who think it is cool to vote PS, although I note that even Yannick Noah (and they don't come more right on than tax avoiding socialist mega star Yannick) has given up on them. Another French leftie (Laurent Ruquier) media luvvie has said "at least with Sarkozy half the country were happy, under the Socialists everybody is fed up".

Govt run companies are a good place for politicians to give jobs to their friends, that is why the ueber-corrupt politicos of France like them. It doesn't make them well run, a case in point the Mont Blanc Tunnel company was a nice sinecure for washed up politicians such as former Prime Minister Edouard Balladur. 38 people died in a tunnel fire which was compounded by a lax safety record under his watch.

Exactly. The continentals choose totalitarian leftists or totalitarian Nazis.

Why anyone would want to emulate them is lost on me. They just like control freaks I guess. Absolutely nothing we can learn from the continentals. Nothing.

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I hate Nu Labour as much as the next man, but how can we blame them here, when the Tories - in opposition - did not oppose the bail out?

Blaming Labour lets this useless bunch of self serving Tory d-heads off the hook IMHO. They would have done the same

...can't remember it being put to the vote ..like the High Street bankers Knighthoods .....and Brown created the bubble ..kept it going and tried to create an even bigger one just before the election in the middle of the bust....Gordo also created the FSA who reported to him ...cut the BofEs power as Bank Supervisors but he and his underlings could not supervise and failed....yes I have to blame Labour for that one ....the Tories ...yes ...plenty to blame them for since they cam to power but I am sure you have a better list than I............. :rolleyes:

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...can't remember it being put to the vote ..like the High Street bankers Knighthoods .....and Brown created the bubble ..kept it going and tried to create an even bigger one just before the election in the middle of the bust....Gordo also created the FSA who reported to him ...cut the BofEs power as Bank Supervisors but he and his underlings could not supervise and failed....yes I have to blame Labour for that one ....the Tories ...yes ...plenty to blame them for since they cam to power but I am sure you have a better list than I............. :rolleyes:

I must admit, I sort of bailed on the Tories when IDS became leader.

Absolutely none of Blair or Brown's financial reforms or banking deregulation were opposed by them at all though. Zero reversal by this sorry excuse for Conservatives on anything changed by Gordo to date. In fact Osborne has actively aped the Brown bust bubble (Gidiot's is arguably more dangerous actually).

All rather depressing.

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I must admit, I sort of bailed on the Tories when IDS became leader.

Absolutely none of Blair or Brown's financial reforms or banking deregulation were opposed by them at all though. Zero reversal by this sorry excuse for Conservatives on anything changed by Gordo to date.

All rather depressing.

...agreed ...a lot of the Tories problems are what they haven't done ....but the big 'done' which fails them completely is this collapse of the brain 'help for first time buyers' ...their contribution to bubble mania as if it was a necessary hysteria for economic solutions labels them as pathetic and naive.... :rolleyes:

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...agreed ...a lot of the Tories problems are what they haven't done ....but the big 'done' which fails them completely is this collapse of the brain 'help for first time buyers' ...their contribution to bubble mania as if it was a necessary hysteria for economic solutions labels them as pathetic and naive.... :rolleyes:

Yep. Can't argue with that.

I must admit I find a lot of the Tories ideology confusing now.

All for the free market. Against freeing up the actual market most of the time (pro green belt/planning restrictions etc etc).

UKIP have exactly the same faults (often amplified).

We seem to have inherited a lot of Republican mantras into our politics that - translated via the UK prism - have become about maintaining the establishment rather than promoting opportunity.

I'm not sure any of our politicians stand for much other than self interests and pocketing lobbying cash.

Perhaps I was niave to think it's ever been any different.

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Yep. Can't argue with that.

I must admit I find a lot of the Tories ideology confusing now.

All for the free market. Against freeing up the actual market most of the time (pro green belt/planning restrictions etc etc).

UKIP have exactly the same faults (often amplified).

We seem to have inherited a lot of Republican mantras into our politics that - translated via the UK prism - have become about maintaining the establishment rather than promoting opportunity.

I'm not sure any of our politicians stand for much other than self interests and pocketing lobbying cash.

Perhaps I was niave to think it's ever been any different.

...too many of them have gone from Uni straight into politics ...decide who will stand for their parties (people like themselves) ....and have no life experience outside these institutions and Westminster......... :rolleyes:

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Don't view it as social justice at all.

We've done exactly the same. Overpaid for broken banks.

In Quicks defence - it is returning a profit to the tax payer in France (although I agree they overpaid). Doubt we'll ever get all the money we poured into the financial district via quantitive easing and bailing back.

Not to defend banker bailouts, but it's not actually the same thing. There was a semi-logical reason to bail out the banks, in that no one else was going to do it and if HBOS and RBS just collapsed it would have had a hugely negative impact on quite a few innocent bystanders. There is no such justification for the French government to be buying a hamburger chain from the richest man in Belgium (a man who made his billions by off-loading zombie steel mills to the Belgian taxpayer).

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All parties bought and paid for by the same interests, this disaffection with politics is whats driving the Scottish vote too. Its a vote to escape the Westmonster and I also expect many don't believe in UKIP they are just really pissed off.

We are led by the worst of us, lining there pockets while read the other day in stoke children are raiding bins for food.

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Not to defend banker bailouts, but it's not actually the same thing. There was a semi-logical reason to bail out the banks, in that no one else was going to do it and if HBOS and RBS just collapsed it would have had a hugely negative impact on quite a few innocent bystanders. There is no such justification for the French government to be buying a hamburger chain from the richest man in Belgium (a man who made his billions by off-loading zombie steel mills to the Belgian taxpayer).

China and Germany seem pretty good at state investment.

The key would appear to be "buy up things in other countries, not your own" perhaps.

I still think the banks should have been left to fail btw - I suppose that's me being a pragmatic free marketeer though. Dangerous precedent set that banks can do what they want and someone else picks up the bill.

History is littered with banks that have collapsed, and frankly if we've reached a point where the banking sector is so uncompetitive and reliant on one or two banks, questions need asking about the monopolisation of the monetary system.

We'd have been better off pouring the bailout money into new bank start ups rather than old bank prop ups IMHO.

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Not to defend banker bailouts, but it's not actually the same thing. There was a semi-logical reason to bail out the banks, in that no one else was going to do it and if HBOS and RBS just collapsed it would have had a hugely negative impact on quite a few innocent bystanders. There is no such justification for the French government to be buying a hamburger chain from the richest man in Belgium (a man who made his billions by off-loading zombie steel mills to the Belgian taxpayer).

Maybe they see a strategic imperative to fight against the spread of iconic American brands like McDonald's?

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