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Junk all diesel cars: They're a health hazard, so scrap them and pay owners £2,000, Boris tells MPs
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The London Mayor wants the Government to launch a national scrappage scheme because millions were unfairly ‘seduced’ into buying diesel, after being told it was greener.

A new scrappage scheme to boost GDP?

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car tax petrol - £175

car tax desiel - £30

mpg petrol - 40mpg

mpg desiel - 60mpg

desiel around 10% more expensive

would save me having around a £800 a year.

but i have to wait now, im not going to by a desiel car now while they talking about this, In fact im not going to by a car till i know if diesel car are going to be taxed high or not

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but diesel lorries, vans, generators, ships and all manner of other uses are perfectly safe.

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but diesel lorries, vans, generators, ships and all manner of other uses are perfectly safe.

Which only serves to show what crap Boris Johnson spouts....

What is he going to do next? Scrap all large wagons which service the supermarkets supply chains?

Do these people not think before they open their gobs?

London has a great little scam going where diesel wagons have to pay a levy to enter the capital. Of course the rest of us end up paying that in higher consumer prices.

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Cant Boris securitise all diesels and turn them into a global asset class?

Then sell them on to India

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A friend runs a garage that converts petrol cars to lpg, he was looking to find an ev servicing / conversion angle as lpg is declining.

its mainly because modern direct injection engines can't be converted to lpg

Over 90% of all taxis in Japan are powered by LPG, and they've worked on lpg / ev hybrids

http://www.lpgconversions-corby.co.uk/aboutlpg%20-%20Current%20users%20of%20lpg.html

The Diesel Decade Radio 4

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04f9r9h

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A friend runs a garage that converts petrol cars to lpg, he was looking to find an ev servicing / conversion angle as lpg is declining.

its mainly because modern direct injection engines can't be converted to lpg

Over 90% of all taxis in Japan are powered by LPG, and they've worked on lpg / ev hybrids

http://www.lpgconversions-corby.co.uk/aboutlpg%20-%20Current%20users%20of%20lpg.html

The Diesel Decade Radio 4

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04f9r9h

eV servicing most promising, but a bugger due to lack of numbers at the moment, running ev servicing and lpg in paralell too much of a mixed bag. Maybe specialise in battery pack repairs, not for the faint hearted or inexperienced though and a far different skillset to lpg mechanics. eV conversion, not practical, far too costly unless yo have customers with deep pockets.

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eV servicing most promising, but a bugger due to lack of numbers at the moment, running ev servicing and lpg in paralell too much of a mixed bag. Maybe specialise in battery pack repairs, not for the faint hearted or inexperienced though and a far different skillset to lpg mechanics. eV conversion, not practical, far too costly unless yo have customers with deep pockets.

indeed,

he specialises in vw camper conversions & repair, so looked at that . Owners of such Vw's often seem willing ot spend a fortune on them

I intro'd him to http://www.batteryvehiclesociety.org.uk of which i am a member

who said "The VW is a popular and therefore easy vehicle to convert. See the

link below for inspiration:

http://www.evalbum.com/type/VOLK

Join the society or at least the forum for advice and news on where to

buy components in the UK."

http://www.batteryvehiclesociety.org.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=2263

I have a 2001 Prius on original batteries with 132 k on clock. 2.5 yrs ago when I bought it, I investigated batt repair. a mechanic in coventry said to do as many cell replacments as necessary was £600 all in price. He said he was only guy in uk to be able ot do it as his toyota mate had a gizmo / meter that was needed .(this last comment may have been bull of course) ..

I've had no probs in 2.5 yrs

Edited by Saving For a Space Ship

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Of course I'd be happy to scrap a £20k diesel car and receive £2000... What planet is he living on?!

I'm off to buy as many old unroad-worthy, diesel cars for £200 as I can

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The diesel car is finished now, in 10 years they will be pretty rare to see new ones. With the every tightning euro regulations the diesel is on borrowed time. The new euro 6 regs will kill the diesel as they now need ANOTHER expensive system which uses a chemical called adblu. The new passat has it and the system is flawed on so many levels on a passenger car it's a total joke.

All big manufacturers are rushing to get out the new breed of petrol engines. Ford predict the diesel will be extinct in the near future. They are working in extending the new 3 cylinder petrol into their range.

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indeed,

he specialises in vw camper conversions & repair, so looked at that . Owners of such Vw's often seem willing ot spend a fortune on them

I intro'd him to http://www.batteryvehiclesociety.org.uk of which i am a member

who said "The VW is a popular and therefore easy vehicle to convert. See the

link below for inspiration:

http://www.evalbum.com/type/VOLK

Join the society or at least the forum for advice and news on where to

buy components in the UK."

http://www.batteryvehiclesociety.org.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=2263

I have a 2001 Prius on original batteries with 132 k on clock. 2.5 yrs ago when I bought it, I investigated batt repair. a mechanic in coventry said to do as many cell replacments as necessary was £600 all in price. He said he was only guy in uk to be able ot do it as his toyota mate had a gizmo / meter that was needed .(this last comment may have been bull of course) ..

I've had no probs in 2.5 yrs

Maybe gizmo/meter that the manufacturer uses, but no, if you can physically get to the cells then you can do a cell by cell check. Most likely very few failed cells or whole pack totally tired and at end of life - bad manufacture of original cell, prone place if battery pack that suffers most heat build up, that sort of thing. Only thing needed for test £20 mutltimeter and a few resistive loadsd of appropriate size. Hence the price, really not that big a deal but you do need to be careful as high voltage overall and knowledge and rubber tools (spanner across terminals of one charged battery not funny).

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Boris is right. We need to do something to force diesels off the roads. Petrol hybrids are the best option in the short term.

But cars/SUVs surely only burn a minor proportion of all the diesel burnt? HGVs, buses, taxis, trains....all the large vehicles with huge annual mileages are all diesel. It's not the private cars that are the problem I would've thought.

Diesels are thermodynamically more efficient. Give all those vehicles noted above petrol engines instead of diesel and carbon footprint would increase, all other things being equal. I thought climate change was our no. 1 priority in public sector world?

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But cars/SUVs surely only burn a minor proportion of all the diesel burnt? HGVs, buses, taxis, trains....all the large vehicles with huge annual mileages are all diesel. It's not the private cars that are the problem I would've thought.

Diesels are thermodynamically more efficient. Give all those vehicles noted above petrol engines instead of diesel and carbon footprint would increase, all other things being equal. I thought climate change was our no. 1 priority in public sector world?

This is precisely Boris's point. A fixation on climate change has led us to make wrong-headed choices and ignore the effects of pollution on public health.

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so - £2k off a 'new' non-diesel car then - which would scupper the 2nd hand market for cars as the old 2K scrappage scheme did when lots of good second hand cars are scrapped unnecessarily.

already older perfectly usable cars are taxed more highly because of their lack of green credentials.

what will he think of next? :huh:

Edited by olliegog

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The diesel car is finished now, in 10 years they will be pretty rare to see new ones. With the every tightning euro regulations the diesel is on borrowed time. The new euro 6 regs will kill the diesel as they now need ANOTHER expensive system which uses a chemical called adblu. The new passat has it and the system is flawed on so many levels on a passenger car it's a total joke.

All big manufacturers are rushing to get out the new breed of petrol engines. Ford predict the diesel will be extinct in the near future. They are working in extending the new 3 cylinder petrol into their range.

The funny thing is that Ford said years ago that if someone wanted a car as bad as a diesel car, they could build a petrol one which was a lot cheaper.

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Diesel passenger cars are a public health disaster in towns. Should be reserved for trucks only as commercial operators are more likely to take their maintenance obligations more seriously than the average punter. Saw a 63 plate Merc with a black plume emerging as the driver floored it at a junction recently. You just can't make a petrol car behave like that.

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Junk all diesel cars: They're a health hazard, so scrap them and pay owners £2,000, Boris tells MPs

1410390973776_Puff_Image_galleryImage_Ma

The London Mayor wants the Government to launch a national scrappage scheme because millions were unfairly ‘seduced’ into buying diesel, after being told it was greener.

A new scrappage scheme to boost GDP?

..that will knock the attraction of Boris in the short term.... :rolleyes:

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