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...Scotland is about the same size as Norway..Norway happens to be the richest country in Europe ....do all Londoners think in terms of geographic size and population ...it can be misleading ..... :rolleyes:

Unfortunately, London (and Londoners) see themselves as, de facto, the centre of the Universe. Therefore, they think of themselves as superior to everyone else. Hence, their kicking and screaming over Scotland's independence. I really feel for those London economic gurus (not really!)

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As a footnote perhaps we should separate because we aren't English in London in General we are British Europeans or commonwealth cousins with a healthy smattering of our North London Greek and Turk friends.

Edward de Bono ( look him up) once said globally we will have more in common with people who share financial and professional status and live in similar environments I.e world cities

The more I hear the English thing ( what does that mean? Ale, cricket, village gossip ? ) the more his words ring true

Well there are three generations of my family living in London, can trace there ancestors there back to the 19th century and they most certainly do regard themselves as English.

They would be insulted if you call them anything else.

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I would like independence from London, if they could build a wall around the M25 then we would all be better off.

We will trade in bitcoins and build a toll bridge to let supplies in and keep bankers & MP's out.

English independence form London.

What's the wall for? Is it to stop the flying masonry when we carpet bomb them? :P

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I too would like independence from Westminster. It's not London itself that is the problem - some of the poorest people in the country live in London. But the fact that MPs think themselves part of an elite club who think nothing of paying millions for houses (funded by the taxpayer, of course) and going to dinner parties with globalist vultures, has absolutely ruined the UK for anyone not paying the 45p rate.

Westminster should be torn down and we should build a real democracy for England and Wales. Hopefully Scotland will be long gone, showing us the way.

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I too would like independence from Westminster. It's not London itself that is the problem - some of the poorest people in the country live in London. But the fact that MPs think themselves part of an elite club who think nothing of paying millions for houses (funded by the taxpayer, of course) and going to dinner parties with globalist vultures, has absolutely ruined the UK for anyone not paying the 45p rate.

Westminster should be torn down and we should build a real democracy for England and Wales. Hopefully Scotland will be long gone, showing us the way.

If Scotland become successful as an independent nation and eventually opt to be a republic ( which I hope would be on their agenda ultimately ) then the English would become very envious and demand the same.

Scotland leaving England could be great for Scotland, it could be a disaster for the English elite.

I expect it will be a hard fought 51% for the NO camp after a few recounts and removal of "spoilt" ballot papers :ph34r:

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Somebody - Charles Moore or Andrew Neil I think - wrote on the eve of the 1997 General Election that the one good thing if Labour won would be the fact that every bien pensant leftie in the country would be silenced as they would have nothing to complain about any more. (A good example is the way Ben Elton went quiet almost immediately afterwards).

If Scotland votes 'yes' one advantage would be that every woad-faced, ginger haired moaner north of the border will have nothing to complain about any more (though no doubt the English will be blamed for Scotland's problems in perpetuity).

It will also be a treat to see Salmond's face when the first benefit cuts have to be made. My main worry though is that the Nats will find someway of getting England (or the EU) to bankroll their socialist experiments. I find it very odd that some people want to be independent because they think it will be less likely that there will be welfare cuts in Scotland...as if welfare cuts are made because of some sort of ideological hatred of the poor rather than a lack of money.

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You've phrased the question in a way that might deter Scots from voting. If you're going to do that, shouldn't you provide a second question for the Jocks? Or better, four options.

I see at least one known scot amongst the No votes. But our proud Jock in chief appears not to have voted.

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You've phrased the question in a way that might deter Scots from voting. If you're going to do that, shouldn't you provide a second question for the Jocks? Or better, four options.

I see at least one known scot amongst the No votes. But our proud Jock in chief appears not to have voted.

Haven't seen Hamish post here for years ;)

As you point out, not really an option for Scots who support independence....

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...Scotland is about the same size as Norway..Norway happens to be the richest country in Europe ....do all Londoners think in terms of geographic size and population ...it can be misleading ..... :rolleyes:

 

no, that was lots of commie scotsmen who thought throwing money and people at the problem would solve it.

scotland used to be a hotbed of innovation and invention when it's people were granted the ability to think for themselves...what went wrong??..now it's pure victimhood.

it's part of the catholic upbringing you see..and they will not ever be questioned.

you even so much as THINK to deviate from instructed doctrine and the inquisition will be after you,

..and yes I do mean that in a derisory sense also..the term "social justice" is collectivist.

Hitler and stalin were both collectivists.

I don't often agree with the likes of george galloway,but on this one he's right.

he doesn't want independence because he fears waht's coming next...and he's right to fear.

what is coming next is hitler+stalin hellspawn hybrid totally bent on world domination-including you scotland-assimilate or die, and only the brits and the yanks are standing in the way.

don't piss us off, we might not feel like protecting you(we've got a get out of jail free card)

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...bump ..remember to vote...and a 'yes' vote will restore the road to democracy throughout the countries of the current UK by solving the West Lothian question whereby 41 Scot's Labour MPs can vote on issues not concerning them in Westminster...... :rolleyes:

 

not happening.

if yes vote registered, the MP's with scottish seats are scottish property.

no influence on westminster voting.

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I too would like independence from Westminster. It's not London itself that is the problem - some of the poorest people in the country live in London. But the fact that MPs think themselves part of an elite club who think nothing of paying millions for houses (funded by the taxpayer, of course) and going to dinner parties with globalist vultures, has absolutely ruined the UK for anyone not paying the 45p rate.

Westminster should be torn down and we should build a real democracy for England and Wales. Hopefully Scotland will be long gone, showing us the way.

I'd settle for a continuation of the UK if we could have an English parliament with the same remit as the Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish ones. However, I don't see any chance of that happening whatsoever.

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I'd settle for a continuation of the UK if we could have an English parliament with the same remit as the Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish ones. However, I don't see any chance of that happening whatsoever.

..this should happen now whether it is a yes vote or not...with the exception of Scotland if it is the former... :rolleyes:

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Hmmm, i think the Utopia presented to the Scots of a free independent Scotland is a hoax as the political realities of a socialist/corporate/communitarian dictatorship will descend upon them with a yes vote and they will be used by TPTB to instigate a corporate lead agenda 21 upon their poor flock of a mere 5 or 6 million like lambs to the slaughter.

One example right here, does this not shivers down the spine of every parent? It's like giving putting the Pedophiles in charge of the Children's home.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10650090/Scottish-ministers-threatened-with-legal-action-over-state-guardian-plans.html

Scots parents, your children belong to the state, not you according to the SNP.

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Hmmm, i think the Utopia presented to the Scots of a free independent Scotland is a hoax as the political realities of a socialist/corporate/communitarian dictatorship will descend upon them with a yes vote and they will be used by TPTB to instigate a corporate lead agenda 21 upon their poor flock of a mere 5 or 6 million like lambs to the slaughter.

One example right here, does this not shivers down the spine of every parent? It's like giving putting the Pedophiles in charge of the Children's home.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10650090/Scottish-ministers-threatened-with-legal-action-over-state-guardian-plans.html

Scots parents, your children belong to the state, not you according to the SNP.

I really don't know where to start, but your comment regarding "Pedophiles" (sic) is both insulting and stupid, given the recent revelations regarding Westminster. I call troll, or bitter together 'cyber warrior'.

Let's see if you manage over 100 posts shall we?

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Perhaps the price of the Union is getting a bit high. If you have to make some more equal (in Scotland's case £1200 per capita more equal in welfare benefits) then it is going to cause resentment. OK oil revenue nets that off at a £300 advantage only to the Scots, but still.

Not being one for biting the bullet and realising that a messy divorce is going to cost both economies big time initially, I think maybe we should continue sending that £300 per head north of the border. Anything for a quiet life immediately ahead.

Well I guess they will want more than that now.

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Perhaps the price of the Union is getting a bit high. If you have to make some more equal (in Scotland's case £1200 per capita more equal in welfare benefits) then it is going to cause resentment. OK oil revenue nets that off at a £300 advantage only to the Scots, but still.

Not being one for biting the bullet and realising that a messy divorce is going to cost both economies big time initially, I think maybe we should continue sending that £300 per head north of the border. Anything for a quiet life immediately ahead.

Well I guess they will want more than that now.

..why would you want 41 Scots Labour MPs voting in Westminster blocking access to things like free UNI in England and Wales ..when UNI is free in Scotland....think you should be praying for a YES vote....vote YES.... :rolleyes:

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Yes. Anything to break up the power structure of our rotten culture.

People are more important than banks, inequality is hurting all but the few at the top, Westminster is incapable of seeing this. Hopefully the scots lead the way in devolution for the rest of the country and begin the process of breaking the stranglehold London and its occupants have on the rest us.

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Yes. Anything to break up the power structure of our rotten culture.

People are more important than banks, inequality is hurting all but the few at the top, Westminster is incapable of seeing this. Hopefully the scots lead the way in devolution for the rest of the country and begin the process of breaking the stranglehold London and its occupants have on the rest us.

...and the particular stranglehold of 41 Scots labour MPs in Westminster.....YES ...is important for all..... :rolleyes:

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