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Scotland aside, how dare MPs get a taxpayer-funded pay rise when the rest of us have to struggle along with what we can scrape together in their 'globalised' economy.

The reason MPs' extremely generous salaries are not enough to live comfortably in London is because of the very same policies that these idiots have pushed upon us. It doesn't matter how poor they make the rest of us, as they can simply vote themselves the wealth required to insulate their own families from their incompetence.

Westminster is corrupt and disgusting.

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Westminster is corrupt and disgusting.

This is why I am for the EU being in control rather than westminster, at least we would be screwed over a little more evenly with the rich taking a larger hit.

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I think MPs are basically demonstrating what the real rate of inflation is. Trouble is most of us appear not to have the same influence over their salaries as they do. Personally, as far as MPs go I'd have thought payment by results would be appropriate e.g. how many satisfied constituents, how many manifesto commitments delivered, participation in house discussions etc. Dock pay for scandals around expenses, fiddling kids etc. A lot this stuff is measured on they work for you.

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This is why I am for the EU being in control rather than westminster, at least we would be screwed over a little more evenly with the rich taking a larger hit.

Ever tried voting out a member of the EU leadership? As to the rich taking a hit- ask yourself why the Greek 'bailout' cash was paid into an escrow account not directly accessible by the people it was supposed to be helping.

‘Greeks know 80% of bailout money goes to German & French banks’

Greeks are furious that European banks are pocketing the bailout money, while some feel their government should have left the euro rather than enduring all this austerity, and devalue the currency, journalist and author Robert Harneis told RT.

RT: Why would a group target a Germany embassy and business interests?

Robert Harneis: Well, there is a lot of ill feeling [among] Greeks against Germany, because of the austerity measures which have been forced on the Greek people. And it is thought in Greece that it is by the Germans and therefore there is resentment. In the background, you must not forget that Greece was occupied by Germany during WWII in the most brutal way, and there are a lot of Greeks still alive today who can remember that and it obviously colors the way they feel about things.

RT: Is there any risk of this slipping into protests and violence in Greece?

RH: Well, it’s always a risk when you have unemployment of up to 27 percent, I think, and youth unemployment of 40 percent. Many people have been ruined by what has happened. The Greeks aren’t stupid, they are a very sophisticated modern developed society. They know that a lot of the money is given to the Greek government so as to “help” the Greeks, and 80 percent of this money goes straight back to the German and French banks that very largely unwisely lent money to the Greek government.

So if it's a champion of the 'little guy' you are looking for, the EU is not that champion.

http://rt.com/op-edge/greece-violence-towards-germany-878/

Edited by wonderpup

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Can't see what the fuss is a about it's not a double digit pay rise.... :ph34r:

No that was last year, they need slightly less in % terms but the same in real terms this year because of this.

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Can't see what the fuss is a about it's not a double digit pay rise.... :ph34r:

If the increase goes ahead as planned, backbench MPs' pay will rise from £67,060 (April 2014) to £74,000 (post May 2015 election), an increase of 10.3%.

They will be getting 9.26% above what they would have got if IPSA had stuck to the standard public sector uplift of 1%.

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Ever tried voting out a member of the EU leadership? As to the rich taking a hit- ask yourself why the Greek 'bailout' cash was paid into an escrow account not directly accessible by the people it was supposed to be helping.

So if it's a champion of the 'little guy' you are looking for, the EU is not that champion.

http://rt.com/op-edge/greece-violence-towards-germany-878/

duh, bail out money is because of the DEBT they have incurred...its to Pay off Debts. And who are the creditors...why, BANKS of course.

they wouldnt ever have needed a bailout if they werent deficit spending to pander to their constituents.

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for better or worse we need change.

You're not alone in that sentiment. Marine Le Pen, UKIP, The Tea Party...they all speak to that same frustration. But pause for a moment, a change for the worse would be a terrible outcome.

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Greece may be in indebted to foreign banks but they are restructuring their economy and like other Eurozone countries their house prices have fallen. The UK gives money to it's own banks in order that it doesn't have to restructure it's economy and can keep house prices high.

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This is why I am for the EU being in control rather than westminster, at least we would be screwed over a little more evenly with the rich taking a larger hit.

Ha ha nice joke. Serious suggestions only please. Reason for the pay hike is because they benchmarked the salaries with other EU countries and Brussels. I would argue the citizens of vast swathes of the EU are much worse served by their politicians than us in the UK. Hard to believe but sadly true.

We shouldn't be comparing ourselves to kleptocracies in the US and EU we should have higher standards. Swiss system is very democratic, elements in Scandinavia are admirable but it's slim pickings out there really but for sure the EU is shocking.

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Public sector Pay rise : <1% (in a non consolidated bonus that goes next year :S)

Private Sector Pay Rise: <1%

The wonderful Members of Parliament who have done soo much for this country and to whom we owe everything: 9%

sounds perfectly reasonable to me!!

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Give them -9%. That should accelerate the process whereby the UK is run by either billionaires or by billionaires who sponsor people who are not billionaires to make your laws. That should make the UK a more democratic country.

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@ Banksters paradise;

How are other European democracies worse than the UK? how are democracies that have proportional representation worse than the UK that has FPTP where 35% of those who voted (less than 20% of the total electorate given current voter turnout) can be represented by the sitting government? How is the European parliament that allows minority parties to have a voice less representative than the house of Lords, the Church of England and the UK Royal Family? How is the UK less Kleptocratic than the EU? which other EU countries have a record to match the UK when it comes to government sponsored transferring wealth from the majority to the minority via house prices and consumer debt?

You are right about one thing, that the UK should set itself higher standards when it comes to democracy.

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