51 Yes 49 No - Rumoured Yougov Poll Tomorrow

[TheCountOfNowhere]

Clearly the poor English need Scotland.

London is doing a wonderful job of destroying all that is around it.

I do wonder why, if England has to subsidise the Scots so much ( as many believe ) why the tories ( who would benefit from Labour losing 50 seats ) are trying so hard to sway the vote.

[TheCountOfNowhere]

The other thing I wonder about is if things are going to end up being so bad in Scotland post a Yes vote, surely the opposite would be true for the other half of the split?

Companies would come to England, house prices will rise, investment would go to England etc. So they tell us.

The other interesting thing about the vote is the pattern amongst different groups on average. It seems it is the dispossessed, those with little hope of advancement who are seeking to shake things up, another roll of the dice, a tilting of the field their way...the young, men, less well off.

Whereas those who want to maintain the status quo want to keep their positions, their middle class jobs, their houses, their pension promises. They are the ones with 'fear'.

Yet the overall split itself suggests it is merely a coin toss. If a decision is too close to call, it is because there is little material to choose between them. It cannot really be true that there are nearly equal shares of potential winners and losers from independence?

What I don't understand ( yet ) is that it'll still be the same old families that own all the land and the wealth,

I'm all for independence but I am more hopeful of freedom.

If the Scottish people do not demand a republic after an indepence vote and the return of the counties wealth to the government so that it can be managed for the people then what's the point in independence ?

All the shepherds ( the bankers, the establishment and the landed genetry ) will have is the same number of sheep split across 2 fields instead of 1.

[South Lorne]

I do wonder why, if England has to subsidise the Scots so much ( as many believe ) why the tories ( who would benefit from Labour losing 50 seats ) are trying so hard to sway the vote.

...not so sure that they are ....and it is telling that a Labour man is in charge of the NO campaign....

[South Lorne]

9 out 0f 10 of the poorest regions in northern Europe are in the UK. But NOT in Scotland it seems.

The richest region in northern Europe is London.

The conclusion in the following document is to do with regional policy, high levels of inequality i.e. wealth distribution POLICY.

http://inequalitybriefing.org/brief/briefing-43-the-poorest-regions-of-the-uk-are-the-poorest-in-northern-

..we are too London centric ...part solution ...move the capital and government offices out and all other centralised trappings like the BBC ...leave the City and the Tourist areas to their strengths ....

[giesahoose]

If high houses prices are so good, how come the area with the most expensive prices is one of the poorest.

[South Lorne]

If high houses prices are so good, how come the area with the most expensive prices is one of the poorest.

...?....Inner London is the richest area in Europe according to the diagram ....?.....

[TheCountOfNowhere]

If high houses prices are so good, how come the area with the most expensive prices is one of the poorest.

You must have missed the previous 2 million posts on here that point out high house prices are bad/evil/wrong/silly/moronic/divisive

[South Lorne]

..... I think there was quite a lot of animosity between the Scottish Labour Party and the SNP for a long time afterwards, but that was really confined to party members......

[Edit: no such thing as a referencum.]

..lefties fighting each other for the Champagne ......

[South Lorne]

Clearly the poor English need Scotland.

London is doing a wonderful job of destroying all that is around it.

...agreed ...currently Scotland doing very well compared to the highlighted areas in England ....but we know that ......

[stormymonday_2011]

..we are too London centric ...part solution ...move the capital and government offices out and all other centralised trappings like the BBC ...leave the City and the Tourist areas to their strengths ....

Some countries Australia, US for starters quite deliberately do not have their political capitals in the biggest cities or financial centres.

There is no reason other than inertia why Parliament should be based in London

Indeed, given the flexibility of modern electronic communications there is zero reason why they need to be tied to one spot

In fact if you dig back far enough English Parliaments were held in places as diverse as York, Northampton, Oxford, Leicester, Winchester and Coventry as well as London.

Perhaps it is time they got out and about more.

Edited September 15, 2014 by stormymonday_2011

[stormymonday_2011]

I think you have to take these stepwise. The Irish agreed to have debt heaped on them for recompensing those who had stolen their land in the first place (a bit like the huge sums paid to slave owning landowners for having to release their slaves). But then they eventually reneged on those debts because they were simply too big. It cost them for a couple of decades though as the 'Brits' took sanctions.

Yes De Valera reneging on the Land Annuities element of the 1921 Treaty led to a series of tit for tat trade sanctions with Britain which did the Irish economy no favours in the 1930s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89amon_de_Valera#President_of_the_Executive_Council

[thecrashingisles]

I see John Reid's out campaigning for no too.

An independent Scotland could basically reconstitute the New Labour cabinet. Even Blair could make a comeback.

[TheCountOfNowhere]

I see John Reid's out campaigning for no too.

An independent Scotland could basically reconstitute the New Labour cabinet. Even Blair could make a comeback.

Yeah, send Blair into scotland and let's see what people of a social country really think of him.

[zugzwang]

I see John Reid's out campaigning for no too.

An independent Scotland could basically reconstitute the New Labour cabinet. Even Blair could make a comeback.

IIRC Reid called for a 'serious grown up debate' about immigration in 2005, and again in 2007. Cameron called for the same thing in 2009, and then in response to the public mood proposed limiting the numbers of immigrants to a few tens of thousands per year - and we all know what happened, of course. Nothing, we still have completely open borders.

At present Holyrood has no powers over citizenship or immigration, something Scots might care to reflect upon when confronted by Reid's foul appearance.

[Caius]

Why is it so difficult to redistribute wealth to the poorer areas of the UK? If they had done this, then the 'yes' campaign wouldn't have anywhere near the ammunition it has. Is it simply a case of greed? I honeslty don't understand why the 'Better Together' crowd which has most of the British elite within it's ranks and which claims to love the UK/Britain so much hasn't done anything to re-balance the UK from London to other poorer areas. It's quite possibly too late now even if there is a 'no' vote. The Scots have started something.

[Corruption]

Im watching BBC World service as im overseas at the moment and they really couldnt be any more biased in they tried.

God i despise the middle class poncy liberals on this channel, ii'd never tire of stamping on their faces.

[Greg Bowman]

Why is it so difficult to redistribute wealth to the poorer areas of the UK? If they had done this, then the 'yes' campaign wouldn't have anywhere near the ammunition it has. Is it simply a case of greed? I honeslty don't understand why the 'Better Together' crowd which has most of the British elite within it's ranks and which claims to love the UK/Britain so much hasn't done anything to re-balance the UK from London to other poorer areas. It's quite possibly too late now even if there is a 'no' vote. The Scots have started something.

But how you can put all the government departments you want in the regions but if privately owned businesses want to be London and the South East how do you stop them?

[gf3]

there is an e petition to get Nick Robinson suspended. I've signed it.

http://www.change.org/p/the-bbc-immediately-suspend-nick-robinson-pending-investigation-for-breach-of-bbc-trust-charter-article-44?recruiter=8169147&utm_campaign=twitter_link_action_box&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=share_petition

[interestrateripoff]

Obama urges Scotland not to ruin America's 'special relationship' with Britain by voting for independence

The dramatic intervention, just three days before Scotland goes to the polls, will infuriate Alex Salmond - with the battle for independence set to be decided by the smallest of margins.

It does appear a lot of people are worried by this, Obama thinking that it could be some US states following next?

[thecrashingisles]

But how you can put all the government departments you want in the regions but if privately owned businesses want to be London and the South East how do you stop them?

Tax breaks for businesses in designated enterprise zones? There aren't many other levers the government has which don't risk creating a quasi-governmental economy.

[interestrateripoff]

Some countries Australia, US for starters quite deliberately do not have their political capitals in the biggest cities or financial centres.

There is no reason other than inertia why Parliament should be based in London

Indeed, given the flexibility of modern electronic communications there is zero reason why they need to be tied to one spot

In fact if you dig back far enough English Parliaments were held in places as diverse as York, Northampton, Oxford, Leicester, Winchester and Coventry as well as London.

Perhaps it is time they got out and about more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gruinard_Island

I would have suggested this Island especially a few years ago.

[Corruption]

Obama urges Scotland not to ruin America's 'special relationship' with Britain by voting for independence

The dramatic intervention, just three days before Scotland goes to the polls, will infuriate Alex Salmond - with the battle for independence set to be decided by the smallest of margins.

It does appear a lot of people are worried by this, Obama thinking that it could be some US states following next?

Im sure not many will change their vote because some out of touch not very good black politician tells them to.

[interestrateripoff]

A nation divided: Scottish police brace for unrest in aftermath of vote - whatever Thursday's result

Tensions continue to run high on both sides of the debate over the country’s future

• Betty Boothroyd calls for ban on opinion polls in run-up to elections
• In focus: Even No stronghold Aberdeen faces ongoing fight from Yes
• 'BBC bias' row: Salmond and Sturgeon split on protests

There's gonna be riot it seems.....

[Tonkers]

The simple fact that we have a simple YES campaign, and overstuffed London twats calling their campaign Better Together, paired with celebrity endorsements says it all.

I will utterly despair if Scotland vote no. It will leave the worst taste in all our mouths.

I am a Londoner. I need the Scots to save me.

Edited September 15, 2014 by Tonkers

[Greg Bowman]

Tax breaks for businesses in designated enterprise zones? There aren't many other levers the government has which don't risk creating a quasi-governmental economy.

I agree but of sort of tried with the enterprise zones, when the taxpayers money stops then they leave.

Lower uni fees couple with tax breaks for research might work