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Ashya King's Parents Arrested In Spain - Video From Father Explains Actions

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The parents of Ashya King, who was taken out of hospital against medical advice, have been arrested after being found with their son in Spain.

Police say officers in the Malaga area pulled over the family's car at 9pm UK time and found the five-year-old and his parents inside.

The boy, who underwent "extensive surgery" during an operation on his brain tumour seven days ago, has been taken to hospital.

Assistant Chief Constable Chris Shead of Hampshire Constabulary said his parents, Brett King, 51, and Naghemeh King, 45, were in custody.

"We don't have many details on Ashya's condition at this point in time but what we do know is that he was showing no visible signs of distress," Mr Shead said.

"Ashya has now been taken to a hospital in Malaga. The parents have been arrested. They have been taken to a police station."

I suspect there will be a big backlash against their treatment.

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Thanks for posting - this confirms my view that the worst crime in this country is to question the so-called professionals.

Compare and contrast with the professionals who did nothing in Rotherham.

This Dr Gary Nickelin and the Chief Constable of hampshire need to be called to account.

PS - demonstrates the iniquity of the European Arrest Warrant.

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The State owns your children. And you.

The demonisation has begun with reference to the parents as Jehovah's Witnesses - not a sect I agree with, but I thought they objected only to blood transfusions.

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And, as demonstrated here, will arrest and imprison those that challenge this fact.

I bet these loving parents will be made an example of to cower further the proles silly enough to be left marooned in the UK, owned by the state.

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as suspected, these people want only the best for the child.

Arrested and now the child is yanked from what appear to be loving parents.

Being under a Specialist myself, I understand that they hate being questioned....its an understandable human response when you are qualified and the questioner is not...you are naturally better informed.

However, hands up anyone who has explained everything to a professional just to find they missed later some important detail, symptom, history or other detail because they are not that interested? I bet most people can recall such instances.

However, the allegation in the video is that the Doctors demanded the parents halt questioning with the threat of a Emergency Care Order and a ban on visits.

Quite frankly, this is disgusting behaviour. The Doctors should subject to a disciplinary TODAY. Why today?..because the loving, caring parties to this crime are in prison...TODAY...the child is out of his parents arms...TODAY.

This needs to be resolved..TODAY.

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as suspected, these people want only the best for the child.

Arrested and now the child is yanked from what appear to be loving parents.

Being under a Specialist myself, I understand that they hate being questioned....its an understandable human response when you are qualified and the questioner is not...you are naturally better informed.

However, hands up anyone who has explained everything to a professional just to find they missed later some important detail, symptom, history or other detail because they are not that interested? I bet most people can recall such instances.

However, the allegation in the video is that the Doctors demanded the parents halt questioning with the threat of a Emergency Care Order and a ban on visits.

Quite frankly, this is disgusting behaviour. The Doctors should subject to a disciplinary TODAY. Why today?..because the loving, caring parties to this crime are in prison...TODAY...the child is out of his parents arms...TODAY.

This needs to be resolved..TODAY.

I agree.

These doctors should be suspended, with immediate effect, pending investigation of these serious allegations.

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as suspected, these people want only the best for the child.

Arrested and now the child is yanked from what appear to be loving parents.

Being under a Specialist myself, I understand that they hate being questioned....its an understandable human response when you are qualified and the questioner is not...you are naturally better .........

This needs to be resolved..TODAY.

As the father of a 3 yr old, if I was in the same circumstances as this father I would have done exactly the same. The fact hes been hounded in some Enemy of the State style pursuit has actually, for the first time in god knows how many public body scandals, made me genuinely fear for the future ofymyself and my fellow Uk and EU citizens.

This really is beyond sinister and if isn't raising as much outrage as a stupid baked alaska I must be a different type of human being to every other sod..

I'll be watching this closely for the next few days. If it doesn't get resolved as per your above post, im seriously getting out of the EU for good

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Why didnt they perform the operation on their child themselves rather than involving expert surgeons?

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Why didnt they perform the operation on their child themselves rather than involving expert surgeons?

Perhaps because, having undertaken their own research, they agreed that the surgery was appropriate and didn't possess the necessary skills to perform it themselves.

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The sad thing about this case is that proton treatment is that the NHS does pay for proton beam treatment, but not for medulloblastoma, because there are no trials to suggest that it has any benefit for medulloblastoma.

PBT machines are super expensive, about £40 million to buy and install. It is not surprising to find private clinics, etc. with these machines offering treatments for conditions where there is no proven benefit - just speculation that "it works for X, and is better because of Y, therefore it will probably be better for Z", because leaving the machine gathering dust unused is costing them £1000 per hour.

Admittedly, there are reasonable reasons to suggest that side effects would be lower, which is the main benefit. The difficulty you also get with something like PBT, which is a super-niche treatment, is that the overall data tend to be highly skewed (for example, even in trials it's been suspected that doctors tend only to send the "less ill" children for PBT because of its cost, the subsequent conclusion that children who receive PBT do better, may therefore be misleading).

That doesn't condone the alleged behaviour of the oncologist, who really should have been able to do a better job of explanation of a topic in his field.

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Shaney ! A mate of mine died of a brain tumour! Al lovely bloke! One Angel down! Scary world!

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The sad thing about this case is that proton treatment is that the NHS does pay for proton beam treatment, but not for medulloblastoma, because there are no trials to suggest that it has any benefit for medulloblastoma.

PBT machines are super expensive, about £40 million to buy and install. It is not surprising to find private clinics, etc. with these machines offering treatments for conditions where there is no proven benefit - just speculation that "it works for X, and is better because of Y, therefore it will probably be better for Z", because leaving the machine gathering dust unused is costing them £1000 per hour.

Admittedly, there are reasonable reasons to suggest that side effects would be lower, which is the main benefit. The difficulty you also get with something like PBT, which is a super-niche treatment, is that the overall data tend to be highly skewed (for example, even in trials it's been suspected that doctors tend only to send the "less ill" children for PBT because of its cost, the subsequent conclusion that children who receive PBT do better, may therefore be misleading).

That doesn't condone the alleged behaviour of the oncologist, who really should have been able to do a better job of explanation of a topic in his field.

The father reckons the surgery was a 100% removal.

Why the chemo?

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Medulloblastoma is a very aggressive and invasive tumour. In general, it cannot be completely removed surgically.

Radiotherapy is considered essential, because there is a very high risk of tumour regrowth where microscopic fragments were embedded deep inside the remaining brain tissue.

The idea is that the majority of the tumour is removed surgically. Then radiotherapy is given to the area surrounding where the tumour was, to try to pick off any microscopic residual pieces.

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Medulloblastoma is a very aggressive and invasive tumour. In general, it cannot be completely removed surgically.

Radiotherapy is considered essential, because there is a very high risk of tumour regrowth where microscopic fragments were embedded deep inside the remaining brain tissue.

From the MacMillen website on this disease.

The main treatments for a medulloblastoma are surgery and radiotherapy. Some people may also have chemotherapy. Your specialist doctor and nurse will explain the aims of your treatment and what it involves. They will talk to you about treatment benefits and disadvantages. They will also explain the risks and side effects.

Deciding on the treatments that are right for you is a decision you make in partnership with your doctor. Make sure you have enough information and time to help you make treatment decisions.

It seems to me there was no partnership as you say...in order to protect the child the surgeons clearly got fed up partnering with the parents and resorted to threats and coercian.

That is the issue...

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More here from Cancer Research.

reading it, it could well be one of the articles these parents read. Cancer research seem quite upbeat about the potential for treating childhood braintumours.

As Chumpus pointed out, it is possible a cohort of current specialists would dismiss this treatment as there is no proof, yet a respected charity provides a branch of hope for the poor people.

No wonder there was conflict.

http://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2013/09/16/proton-therapy-is-coming-to-the-uk-but-what-does-it-mean-for-patients/

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The sad thing about this case is that proton treatment is that the NHS does pay for proton beam treatment, but not for medulloblastoma, because there are no trials to suggest that it has any benefit for medulloblastoma.

Hi Chumpus.. can you improve my understanding?

I thought Proton Therapy performed exactly the same function as Radio therapy (without destroying everything in the "shadow").

If the doctors were recommending Chemo and Radiotherapy, surely Chemo and Proton beam could only be better (albeit much more expensive)?

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You are all missing the point.

1. Did the parents have the right or not to remove their child from the hospital?

2. Having established point 1. Did they then have the right to travel to Spain either to seek alternative treatments or quality time with their son in the time he has left?

What the feck business is it of the state to become involved? The Jehovah's witnesses thing is neither here not there.

Just heard on the radi that Hampshire plod are sending a 'team' out to Spain to investigate the issue. WTF is there to investigate?

The police in this Country at both end of the extremes are not fit for role. Theresa May should be having the CC of Hampshire Plod in for an interview without coffee and ask him wtf they are playing at....

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Just heard on the radi that Hampshire plod are sending a 'team' out to Spain to investigate the issue. WTF is there to investigate?

The police in this Country at both end of the extremes are not fit for role. Theresa May should be having the CC of Hampshire Plod in for an interview without coffee and ask him wtf they are playing at....

This looks like it's going to be quite embarrassing.. I expect they'll want to bury this little news item as soon as possible (in the interests of the privacy if the family of course ;) )

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You are all missing the point.

1. Did the parents have the right or not to remove their child from the hospital?

2. Having established point 1. Did they then have the right to travel to Spain either to seek alternative treatments or quality time with their son in the time he has left?

What the feck business is it of the state to become involved? The Jehovah's witnesses thing is neither here not there.

Just heard on the radi that Hampshire plod are sending a 'team' out to Spain to investigate the issue. WTF is there to investigate?

The police in this Country at both end of the extremes are not fit for role. Theresa May should be having the CC of Hampshire Plod in for an interview without coffee and ask him wtf they are playing at....

Of course they had the right...the right existed up to the issuance of the Emergency care order...question is, was it ever issued?

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Of course they had the right...the right existed up to the issuance of the Emergency care order...question is, was it ever issued?

I would imagine it would be the job of the Family Court division to issue such an order and that the parents would be entitled to legal representation. As no one has mentioned it (parents included) it looks like it wasn't.

Who is to say they would have got it anyway!! Judges (in the main) are not stupid and can be compassionate. If the child is terminal anyway who is to say what quality of life he should have in in final days/weeks. Only the parents can make that judgement. There is no law on such matters such as assisted suicide or the right to die so the judge(s) have no legal standard to adhere too.

They are free to act in both the interests of the child (and his parents).

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