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Britons In Syria And Iraq Should Be Presumed Guilty, Boris Johnson Says

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28923689

Britons who travel to "war areas" should be presumed potential terrorists unless they can prove otherwise, Mayor of London Boris Johnson has said.

Writing in his Daily Telegraph column, he called for tougher powers to deal with British extremists who leave the UK to fight in Iraq and Syria.

He said there should be a "presumption" that Britons who go without telling UK authorities have a "terrorist purpose".

Deputy PM Nick Clegg said changing the law would not help defeat extremists.

And former attorney general Dominic Grieve said Mr Johnson's proposal undermined UK values.

The Human Rights Act states that anyone charged with a criminal offence in the UK is "presumed innocent until proved guilty".

But Mr Johnson wrote: "The law needs a swift and minor change so that there is a 'rebuttable presumption' (which shifts the burden of proof on to the defendant) that all those visiting war areas without notifying the authorities have done so for a terrorist purpose."

A slippery slope to changing the law so that you are presumed guilty and you have to demonstrate your innocence or a sensible precaution considering what's happening over there?

Should we just revoke their citizenship and make these people stateless?

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A slippery slope to changing the law so that you are presumed guilty and you have to demonstrate your innocence or a sensible precaution considering what's happening over there?

Should we just revoke their citizenship and make these people stateless?

When the actions of the few have curtailed the freedoms of the many the few have won.

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Boris is guilty. Of what I have no idea but its up to him to prove his innocence.

of far too frequently making cheap, populist, badly thought through, off the cuff comments.

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If they only belong to one state IE the UK and only hold a UK passport it is apparently a breach of their human rights to revoke citizenship.

It is to breach international law to render someone stateless.

Once we get a Westgate shopping mall shootout in its name sake similiar to the one in Nairobi it will focus peoples minds on what is reasonable in human rights law.

It is only a matter of time now. They are already planning spectaculars which will make 7/7 look like a walk in the park.

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Great, now we'll get endless debate on this while the government continues to hand out new passports like confetti. Most people applying for British passports do so out of convenience. Indefinite leave to remain should be the most that's given in normal circumstances.

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Is this the old Hegelian principle at work? Problem, reaction, solution?

The problem I see is that we have a weak immigration policy allowing these sorts into the country in the first place! also a weak response to radicalisation in the Muslim community, even a weak response to confront the Muslim community over the grooming gangs. Isn't it the problem that the authorities are respecting multiculturalism and diversity rather than the law? In its void these criminal activities are popping up.

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Isn't it the problem that the authorities are respecting multiculturalism and diversity rather than the law?

Yes. But they've spent decades telling us how wonderful multiculturalism and diversity is, so they're not going to turn around now and admit it was a disaster.

Besides, governments need enemies to justify their ever-increasing power. If they don't have one, they create one.

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