It's 2030 And House Prices Have Been Falling For Years

[davidg]

Its 2030, Britain is flooded with Arab refugees but for the sixth consecutive year, the economy has shrunk and house prices have fallen. This is the Dail Fail's apocalyptic vision of Britain in the future after IS capture the Middle East's oil fields.

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[billybong]

For most ordinary families, meanwhile, the news is as bad as it has ever been. For the sixth consecutive year, the economy has shrunk and house prices have fallen.

That (house prices have fallen) might be bad news for the Mail but perhaps not for the majority of "ordinary families" - but amongst all of the awful scenarios portrayed they just had to put it in. It would be the least of people's worries.

"The economy has shrunk" another dramatic and all encompassing statement without detail or explanation.

[billybong]

As many commentators have pointed out, the Middle East now resembles nothing so much as Europe during the Thirty Years War, which raged from 1618 to 1648 and became one of the bloodiest and most destructive wars in European history.

It would resemble the Thirty Years War because it's a widespread war and it would have been going on a long time - it already has. Otherwise

[oracle]

very prescient.

this is sort of how it will play out, but it'll happen in 2 phases.

the first of which is not drawn out and protracted....basically false flag terror(again) followed by very quick and brutal response from US(follow up action as described from canada,britain and france).

US Revolution 2.0 as instigators trying to overthrow the country to replace with fascist dictatorship are routed out in military coup,hauled out of their bunkers and every one of them(including their offspring) put on trial for treason and executed..

As a result of US military response, most of the rest of the world throws hands up in horror and forces trade embargo, turning uncle sam into virtually pariah state.

only UK,aus,nz,canada and france maintain trade links.

germany ditches EU altogether and joins russia(partly because of arm-twisting by soviets regarding energy supply).

EU and NATO both fracture.

US,UK, france and canada form new "triple entente" defence alliance .Aus and NZ go "neutral" but cement better ties with india with regards common defence and trade.

scots agree to join triple entente with certain conditions, and the US is not the dominant partner, after negotiations it's decided the new form of government as below:

1)at US insistence, the US constitution be the overall form of civil govenment.after their close encounter with internal treason,realising that the well armed and well informed populace was the object of attack, and were not as well subverted as the conspirators thought,USA also insisted on no ID cards and mandatory national service and gun ownership similar to switzerland system.All other countries agree.

2) at UK and scotland negotiation, it was agreed that canada be main arbitrator of affairs for all countries concerned

3)at french and scottish insistence,the present monarchy be removed from office-as it was feared their german heritage might betray defence and economic capability into newly formed(and now perceived hostile) germano-russian bloc.

ireland also agree, and IRA promise permanent seccation of all hostilities towards britain should this be implemented.

Britain says proposal is a good one but not sufficient,it insists as part of such agreement ALL known agents involved in the pseudo-military and economic subversion be immediately arrested and executed.

Ireland reluctantly agrees.

4) Economically,the canadian loonie becomes the de-facto currency( after the previous monarchs assets(including gold filed and oil resources are siezed and put into common trust.US is happy with this and does the same with the "banksters" assets)

All revert back to quasi-constitutional gold-silver backing.Usury and charging of interest now only allowed on international transactions outside the entente.( internal currency works only on small initial charge of commission, with sabbatical debt clearance at 7 year intervals)

punishment for evasion and fraud are severe.

5) Border security massively tightened..all immigration outside entente now ascertained by "red-list,yellow-list, green-list" countries

all immigrants now subject to 10 year probation before citizenship...any offence conviction of 12 month+ sentence during probationary period is now immediate deportation

(deportation process now includes taking of DNA,facial scan, voice recognition during interrogation and pheromone sweat-scan....not a nice affair because it involves being attacked by immigration agency dogs before the swab is taken,the fear-factor was found the most effective method of obtaining an "honest" sample,untainted to attempts at diatary change or hormone injection/ingestion)

repeat attempts at re-entry following deportation dealt with under the 3 strikes and out(that means curtains folks) policy.

20-30 years of relative peace(give of take severe food and oil rationing), then all hell breaks loose.

[StainlessSteelCat]

Give the Mail's past record, and general outlook - I expect it won't be quite as apocalyptic. These are fairy tales designed to keep the sheep compliant.

[zugzwang]

Give the Mail's past record, and general outlook - I expect it won't be quite as apocalyptic. These are fairy tales designed to keep the sheep compliant.

Foley murder video may have been staged...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/11054488/Foley-murder-video-may-have-been-staged.html

[billybong]

This is Britain in 2030:

It used to be 1984.

Then it was 2000.

Then 2012.

It's just a surprise that they didn't came up with an earlier date. 2022 for instance has plenty going for it although maybe a bit obvious.

Perhaps they think that people are Doom Date Weary.

[oracle]

It used to be 1984.

Then it was 2000.

Then 2012.

It's just a surprise that they didn't came up with an earlier date. 2022 for instance has plenty going for it although maybe a bit obvious.

Perhaps they think that people are Doom Date Weary.

well I'm going for "the boy who cried wolf" theory.

the PTB have been harping on about it and spreading fear/doom-porn for so long that they will be among the first victims of it.the people are getting fed up with their pathetic attempts at control-grabbing.

nobody will believe them, treat them all as conspirators and promptly do away with them.

then, when the REAL event happens, it will catch everybody by surprise,and will be quite a bit worse.

[Stateless]

Support your government's actions abroad or get flooded Arab refugees, have no oil and suffer a house price crash.

(unfortunately I think there are too many out there sitting on that unearned gift from inflation and they do not want to loose it. And to them that is as unpalatable as the lights going out and being flooded with Arabs refugees)

Personally I think they over estimate the attractiveness of the UK without oil. No need to worry they won't be heading here (they aren't stupid).

[billybong]

Its 2030, Britain is flooded with Arab refugees but for the sixth consecutive year, the economy has shrunk and house prices have fallen.

So it's pretty similar to the last 7 years then - London excepted with its mega bubble.

[Executive Sadman]

We're already there, socially. Im sure most Pakistanis are perfectly OK people. Doesn't take much more than 1-2% of their population to turn that country into an Islamic hellhole though. Once tokenism has put islamists into all the top offices and rule of law goes out the window, its lights out. Already happening in Holland with the batshit insane Yasmina Haifi.

[wonderpup]

Or in the year 2028 cheap abundant energy arrives in the form of fusion reactors and no one gives a shite anymore?

What amazes me is that the United states and it's allies for decades managed to contain the USSR, a nuclear armed empire that possessed advanced technology and armed forces of near equal capability to their own- yet those same states are apparently now quaking in their boots in the face of a bunch of zealots armed with sharp knives and a copy of final cut pro?

I think we are being played here.

Even if we assume that the lunatics do take over the middle east asylum and get control of the oil- who are they going to sell it to? I'm guessing it will be the same people who buy it already.

I love this projection of the IS as master strategists of near superhuman cunning- if that were true why would they be stupid enough to hand their western enemies the propaganda coup of murdering an innocent on video ( Or at least appearing to do so) This was not the act of master manipulators- it was the petulant response of a child to having some it's military toys destroyed by western air power.

[Billy soy]

Foley murder video may have been staged...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/11054488/Foley-murder-video-may-have-been-staged.html

The execution happened, it might not have been jihad John or jinn matic that performed it though. Inexperience? Bad show if your man is too incompetent to cut a bound mans head off especially in a video designed for posturing. Or maybe foley struggled and attempted to renounce all of the statements he made regarding his USAF brother and America. Jihad Jon did place his hand over filets mouth when he moved on to execute.

What ever happened, foley met his end at the hands of these extremists and this British man played some part.

[Executive Sadman]

Or in the year 2028 cheap abundant energy arrives in the form of fusion reactors and no one gives a shite anymore?

What amazes me is that the United states and it's allies for decades managed to contain the USSR, a nuclear armed empire that possessed advanced technology and armed forces of near equal capability to their own- yet those same states are apparently now quaking in their boots in the face of a bunch of zealots armed with sharp knives and a copy of final cut pro?

I think we are being played here.

Even if we assume that the lunatics do take over the middle east asylum and get control of the oil- who are they going to sell it to? I'm guessing it will be the same people who buy it already.

I love this projection of the IS as master strategists of near superhuman cunning- if that were true why would they be stupid enough to hand their western enemies the propaganda coup of murdering an innocent on video ( Or at least appearing to do so) This was not the act of master manipulators- it was the petulant response of a child to having some it's military toys destroyed by western air power.

Its as much a social/intellectual war as a physical/technological one.

Reagan could call the USSR the evil empire without being called a racist. But you cant call Islam an evil ideology without being called a racist.

Now, im perfectly at ease with being called a racist in that context. Most people aren't, however.

[reddog]

I was actually pretty surprised this made it into the Daily Mail, obviously they love a good moan about the present day - but rarely extrapolate what present day problems could mean in the future. It actually reads more like something you would read on some sort of alternative media site.

Even more interestingly it was written my a fairly serious author / historian Dominic Sandbrook (Author of recent history books, which I have enjoyed), I don't think he would have put his name to something like that unless he thought it had a decent chance of at least partially coming true.

I could poke a few holes in his arguments (for example, I think we will be short of energy by 2030, but we won't necessarily be worrying about the price of petrol, and we will probably have resource problems even without IS occupying the middle east).

[MrPin]

I have never been to the future yet!

[oracle]

Its as much a social/intellectual war as a physical/technological one.

right.

and the hardline mad mullahs are not in any way technological.they are medeival.

the likes of brezinski etc have made no bones about the (mis)use of technology to further their agenda.that's why I think uncle sam is getting mighty pissed with them.

[oracle]

I was actually pretty surprised this made it into the Daily Mail, obviously they love a good moan about the present day - but rarely extrapolate what present day problems could mean in the future. It actually reads more like something you would read on some sort of alternative media site.

Even more interestingly it was written my a fairly serious author / historian Dominic Sandbrook (Author of recent history books, which I have enjoyed), I don't think he would have put his name to something like that unless he thought it had a decent chance of at least partially coming true.

I could poke a few holes in his arguments (for example, I think we will be short of energy by 2030, but we won't necessarily be worrying about the price of petrol, and we will probably have resource problems even without IS occupying the middle east).

I think we'll have cracked thorium/cold fusion by then, but I think he's spot-on on the social conditions if we don't wise up.

I also don't share his propensity for saying that fuel supply will be anywhere near as centralised as it presently is...the PTB and milliband would love it, but I think over the next 10 years or so there will be sufficient backlash against corporate/government mismanagement that people will,if they have not done so already, look for solutions outside central control.

[billybong]

Apparently they control the city of Raqqa in Syria - so for sure they will have underground bunkers there along with underground rail networks, communications centres and facilities to accommodate thousands for a considerable length of time - quite likely with sophisticated missile systems.

That might also be linked to the underground bunker system reported to be under Baghdad and then with possible links to the underground complex reported to be under the mountain ranges on the Afghanistan/Pakistan borders - although the latter two complexes were never reported to be found they were so well hidden.

[1929crash]

right.

and the hardline mad mullahs are not in any way technological.they are medeival.

the likes of brezinski etc have made no bones about the (mis)use of technology to further their agenda.that's why I think uncle sam is getting mighty pissed with them.

It's Bzrezinski! 2 Zs

[StainlessSteelCat]

I think we'll have cracked thorium/cold fusion by then, but I think he's spot-on on the social conditions if we don't wise up.

I also don't share his propensity for saying that fuel supply will be anywhere near as centralised as it presently is...the PTB and milliband would love it, but I think over the next 10 years or so there will be sufficient backlash against corporate/government mismanagement that people will,if they have not done so already, look for solutions outside central control.

Agree on the energy supply front. I think more people will look to go off-grid as far as possible, or at least produce some of their own energy. Couple that with the rise of the electric car (perhaps self driving), and the average person's day-to-day dependence on the big energy corporations will start to drop. They've partly brought on themselves through greed and appalling customer service.

[bendy]

Agree on the energy supply front. I think more people will look to go off-grid as far as possible, or at least produce some of their own energy. Couple that with the rise of the electric car (perhaps self driving), and the average person's day-to-day dependence on the big energy corporations will start to drop. They've partly brought on themselves through greed and appalling customer service.

They can't stop that greed - if people get energy dependent they'll be a raft of H&S regulations and laws that will deter it. As for fusion, it's probably already been 'cracked' but you won't be seeing it in operation until the last drop of oil's been pumped from the desert!