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I don't think somehow they've factored in the devastating effects of the HPC (when it happens). Always a huge mistake to predict things more than 5 years ahead.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-28563027

It said 600 new schools and colleges needed to be built as well as 50,000 homes a year but the mayor ruled out building on the green belt.

This is because there are large amounts of brownfield land which could be used, up until at least 2025, he said.

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3 million people in just over 35 years seems about right to me, House price crash or not, it is still the preferred destination for the world's illegal immigrants looking for a better life.

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3 million people in just over 35 years seems about right to me, House price crash or not, it is still the preferred destination for the world's illegal immigrants looking for a better life.

Yeah ok

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/19/world/europe/19ireland.html?_r=0

and people wonder why humanity and its foibles of hubris and overstated depression hasnt changed in a few thousand years. No matter how big the fairytale, today is all that matters tomorrow is irrelevant because i have no concept of history innit, even if it was yesterday

TheUK could have a population of 100m in 2030, it could also have a popn of 50m, thats the reality of accepting that we may not be legends out of our own lunchtime

Edited by Georgia O'Keeffe

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According to the telegraph on 10 December 2013


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www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10509723/UK-population-could-hit-132-million-warn-official-figures.html

Only weeks after the Office for National Statistics predicted that the UK will have 10 million more people within the next 25 years, it published new estimates showing that the true figure could be four million higher.

The dramatic upward revision suggests the population of Britain could rise from its current record level of 63.7 million to just under 78 million by 2037.

So at that rate (population increasing by about 580,000 per year) by 2050 the UK population would increase by around 20 million from the current 64 million to about 84 million

So it looks as if they're now predicting that maybe 20% of that 20 million will end up in London - the other millions elsewhere in the UK. More and more cheap labour but with sky high house prices all with government support?

It doesn't seem to be a very well thought out plan.

Edited by billybong

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3 million people in just over 35 years seems about right to me, House price crash or not, it is still the preferred destination for the world's illegal immigrants looking for a better life.

Believe it or not, in the decade up to the crash Spain took in more migrants than the UK (talking about Rumanians, Colombians, Ecuadorians etc not the villa brigade) and Germany had been talked of as the sick man of Europe !!!

That's what I mean when I say it's a mistake to predict things too much into the future - things change.

When the jobs dry up (which they will do in a HPC), and the government introduces further anti-migrant measures (eg the abolishment of tax allowances) you could well see a net migration away from London.

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Yeah ok

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/19/world/europe/19ireland.html?_r=0

and people wonder why humanity and its foibles of hubris and overstated depression hasnt changed in a few thousand years. No matter how big the fairytale, today is all that matters tomorrow is irrelevant because i have no concept of history innit, even if it was yesterday

TheUK could have a population of 100m in 2030, it could also have a popn of 50m, thats the reality of accepting that we may not be legends out of our own lunchtime

No fairytale for those born here, but however the economy turns it will always be a better option for most of Africa and Asia.

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When the jobs dry up (which they will do in a HPC), and the government introduces further anti-migrant measures (eg the abolishment of tax allowances) you could well see a net migration away from London.

I don't see it. The trend towards mega cities is global and won't be stopped because of temporary local troubles in the London economy.

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No fairytale for those born here, but however the economy turns it will always be a better option for most of Africa and Asia.

Kerching, hubris, you have no idea whether it will it not, Recent History says it will, Longer term beyond "being a legend in our lunchtime" says there is no cast iron reason to believe so, Asia, Mesopotamia, Africa have all had their time in the sun at various points in History, i suggest you stop living in your own lunch time and deal with actual reality of the past, The west may be more prosperous than ever in 30 years, it might also be in a dark age, it might also be somewhere between, thats the reality of its history, your hubris and entitlement wont change either of those outcomes, your entitlement merely highlights how fortunate youve been to have been born in the place you were when you were "historically", its become assumed, thats hubris, decadence, entitlement, call it what you will, it may continue or not, clearly if it doesnt you should be the last to complain because you bought into the same assumption as your leaders

Edited by Georgia O'Keeffe

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Yeah ok

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/19/world/europe/19ireland.html?_r=0

and people wonder why humanity and its foibles of hubris and overstated depression hasnt changed in a few thousand years. No matter how big the fairytale, today is all that matters tomorrow is irrelevant because i have no concept of history innit, even if it was yesterday

TheUK could have a population of 100m in 2030, it could also have a popn of 50m, thats the reality of accepting that we may not be legends out of our own lunchtime

Indeed, the demographers are about as useful as economists. Back in the 60s they thought population growth would be massive and unabated, simply because birth rates at the time were high. 10 years later those same demographers were saying the population would shrink because of the 'brain drain'. Even when the census 2001 was being done they thought there would be little increase on the 1991 figure, ignoring bliars massive migrant programme.

Utter waste of money trying to plan so far out, no one knows what will happen, not least idiot civil servants.

IMO the UK will continue to be a destination for third worlders, but this may begin to be offset by young indigenous brits who have simply had enough of Ponzi UK.

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I don't see it. The trend towards mega cities is global and won't be stopped because of temporary local troubles in the London economy.

Agreed modern economics is all about inter connection of services which work well in cities and not so well in the country. The reality of the country....ie. Ceredigion, Lincolnshire is an area entirely dependent on taxes generated in the cities and redistributed to these nicer areas. Just can't wait to join the idle set in the country and put my feet up and live off the efforts of the third worlders trading services and generating taxes in the city such as selling each other coffee.

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Agreed modern economics is all about inter connection of services which work well in cities and not so well in the country. The reality of the country....ie. Ceredigion, Lincolnshire is an area entirely dependent on taxes generated in the cities and redistributed to these nicer areas. Just can't wait to join the idle set in the country and put my feet up and live off the efforts of the third worlders trading services and generating taxes in the city such as selling each other coffee.

Near future technology advances could completely avoid the requirement of proximity for inter-connection.

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Near future technology advances could completely avoid the requirement of proximity for inter-connection.

I think the reality of the the country is that it will always be at a slower pace and have a stunted GDP technolology or not...which is fine by me and there I would prefer to be. Meanwhile a lot of GDP still centres aroung physical entities such as retail, coffee shops and offices which are nowhere to be seen in Llanaskintiogg.

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I think the reality of the the country is that it will always be at a slower pace and have a stunted GDP technolology or not...which is fine by me and there I would prefer to be. Meanwhile a lot of GDP still centres aroung physical entities such as retail, coffee shops and offices which are nowhere to be seen in Llanaskintiogg.

Most of retail is supermarkets:

http://www.igd.com/our-expertise/Retail/retail-outlook/3371/UK-Grocery-Retailing/

and they are all moving into online and delivery services.

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More people doesn't necessarily mean higher house prices, whatsoever.

It can also cause house prices to crash.

You don't pay for houses by 'demand' alone, and you calculate what-it's-worth with high density of people all around, and HMOs up and down the road.

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More people doesn't necessarily mean higher house prices, whatsoever.

It can also cause house prices to crash.

You don't pay for houses by 'demand' alone, and you calculate what-it's-worth with high density of people all around, and HMOs up and down the road.

Yes, more people make an area undesirable, and prices crash.

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No fairytale for those born here, but however the economy turns it will always be a better option for most of Africa and Asia.

Many of those born there will move out......a means to an end.

People move to the places where they see there are people similar to themselves, similar in the way they think and act....human nature.

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According to the telegraph on 10 December 2013

So at that rate (population increasing by about 580,000 per year) by 2050 the UK population would increase by around 20 million from the current 64 million to about 84 million

So it looks as if they're now predicting that maybe 20% of that 20 million will end up in London - the other millions elsewhere in the UK. More and more cheap labour but with sky high house prices all with government support?

It doesn't seem to be a very well thought out plan.

This is what I don't understand. The government says the UK needs to import immigrants to do jobs that Brits won't do and to pay tax in order to fund the pension ponzi. However, it has surely come to the point that there are so many immigrants working for a pittance (so not actually paying any tax because they are below the tax threshold) but having their income hugely topped up by housing benefit, tax credits, child benefit, free education for their kids, free NHS, NI stamp even though paying zero tax. So the cost of paying immigrants in-work benefits costs more per year than the small amount of tax they might pay that is supposed to pay for the pension of a pensioner? And the whole raison d'etre for them to be here is exposed as a big lie since the amount of welfare they consume negates any tax they might pay and these are the working immigrants, before we get onto all the immigrants who have never contributed a penny. The only people who are benefitting from immigration are rich landlords, billion pound retailers and multimillionaires who get cheap labour subsidised by people on PAYE.

Edited by fru-gal

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This is what I don't understand. ... The only people who are benefitting from immigration are rich landlords, billion pound retailers and multimillionaires who get cheap labour subsidised by people on PAYE.

There is your answer ...

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More people doesn't necessarily mean higher house prices, whatsoever.

It can also cause house prices to crash.

You don't pay for houses by 'demand' alone, and you calculate what-it's-worth with high density of people all around, and HMOs up and down the road.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/9124194/Relocation-hot-spots-20-of-the-best-towns-in-Britain-for-those-fed-up-with-London.html?frame=2159003

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Relocation hot spot: Haywards Heath.

I'd rather cut my own eyes out. <_<

Can't say I have ever been there.....what is it like to live there?

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'I went out with a girl who lived near HH for a number of years and must say that the town and surrounding area was one of the most moribund and spirit-crushing places I have ever visited. Bullnecked, Ralph Lauren clad fools jostle with ageing & twisted Tories or city types for the title of true HH scum bag. Surrounding area is the kind of pretend countryside that convinces London migrs they've beaten 'the rat-race' while managing to make every second farm building look like a centre for battery farming or ****-fighting. Sinister, unpleasant and with no relief from the bourgeois ideals of monotony and bad taste. In retrospect, she was a bit of a tw*t as well: cheers love!'

http://www.knowhere.co.uk/Haywards-Heath/West-Sussex/South-East-England/info/worstthings

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