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Small Plot With Planning In My Rm Search, £195,000

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Lack of suitable building plots is the main reason we have such insanely high house prices. The UK economy is the 6th biggest economy in the world, why do we have such shit houses. Surely we can do better.

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The house that has the land (no. 21 Exeter Road) sold on 12 March 2014 for £325,000.

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=28167132&sale=898444&country=england

A planning application for a new dwelling and associated works was lodged with Exeter Council on 14th April.

http://pub.exeter.gov.uk/scripts/Acolnet/dataonlineplanning/acolnetcgi.gov?ACTION=UNWRAP&RIPNAME=Root.PgeResultDetail&TheSystemkey=69146

Permission was granted 14th July.

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Objection from neighbour:

From: Paul Randles
Sent: 11 May 2014 11:22
To: Powell, Leigh; Robbins, Andy;

Subject: Planning consent 21 Exeter Rd Topsham EX3 0LX . Your Ref14/0932/03

Dear Sir

With reference to the above planning application, we wish to make numerous comments opposing
the planning application for the above site.

1. Position of proposed house in too close in proximity to our own property.
Making maintenance to our dwelling impossible .

2. Position of proposed house is set back much further than existing line of houses.
This will impact greatly on our privacy, especially with two proposed side windows overlooking our
garden.

3.There are no other properties that have been squeezed in in such small plots, especially on a busy
main
road with limited vision and adjacent to a bus stop.

4. The proposed plans of such a property will significantly devalue our family home, of which we have
extensively
refurbished over the last 17 years.

Two years ago we applied (Ref. 12/0756/02) to have a larger garage built on our existing garage plot,
which was refused with no objections from neighbours.

Therefore, we would be astounded if a 3/4 bedroom house was approved as per the drawings that
have been submitted.

We would welcome any advise you could offer in this matter and trust confirmation of our email by
return

Mrs & Mrs Paul Randle
Trelawny
23 Exeter Road

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Objection from neighbour:

If they don't want you to build there, then they should buy the land from you.

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Can't believe the price for just a tiny area.

Near me, a plot two thirds the size of that was sold a couple of years ago without PP. 0.04 acres, 160 Sq m. Sold for around £60-65,000 I can't quite remember. They've built a 4 bed house in the postage stamp of a plot and are asking for £600,000.

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IMO this is the core of the who housing problem. If you look at other countries (All of them perhaps) then you will find reasonably priced plots of land.

There have been no building plots for sale within a 10 mile radius of where I work for the last 3 months. This is a horrific and serious issue that has slowly been getting worse for 40 years.

The current government have shown that they want this situation to continue and will not allow self builders to build in reasonable locations neighbouring other properties.

The system they have introduced limits building to the areas defined in the local plan.

If you wanted to build a new home on a plot in a street near schools, shops, doctors etc that was is not in the local development plan then it is refused. Other countries allow homes in reasonable locations to be built.

It's the central planning of houses and anyone who wishes to build outside of this stricylt defined area can sod off or we will pull your home down and fine you,

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IMO this is the core of the who housing problem. If you look at other countries (All of them perhaps) then you will find reasonably priced plots of land.

There have been no building plots for sale within a 10 mile radius of where I work for the last 3 months. This is a horrific and serious issue that has slowly been getting worse for 40 years.

The current government have shown that they want this situation to continue and will not allow self builders to build in reasonable locations neighbouring other properties.

The system they have introduced limits building to the areas defined in the local plan.

If you wanted to build a new home on a plot in a street near schools, shops, doctors etc that was is not in the local development plan then it is refused. Other countries allow homes in reasonable locations to be built.

It's the central planning of houses and anyone who wishes to build outside of this stricylt defined area can sod off or we will pull your home down and fine you,

Totally agree with you.

Given the size of the UK and the population, there is around 3800 square meters per person in this country. If we only used 5% of the available space for buildiing plots and assumed each house will have 3 people living in it, then we could easily have building plots of 3800 * 0.05 * 3 = 570 sqm. Why then are building plots so insanely small, rare and expensive?

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Totally agree with you.

Given the size of the UK and the population, there is around 3800 square meters per person in this country. If we only used 5% of the available space for buildiing plots and assumed each house will have 3 people living in it, then we could easily have building plots of 3800 * 0.05 * 3 = 570 sqm. Why then are building plots so insanely small, rare and expensive?

Because there are a small number of people who own hundreds of thousands of acres of land that they complain about being hard to look after - but are tighter than a gnats ass when holding onto it - and only own it because their great great great uncle Bob banged someone else's sister and chopped their neighbours head off with a sword 500 years ago ?

Or something like that.

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If the government allowed people to build there own homes these land lowners would soon be chopping of 1/2 acre here and there to sell as plote. See the rest of Europe for reference.

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If they don't want you to build there, then they should buy the land from you.

The issue is that the neighbour has wanted to improve their property and been refused permission, despite the fact that the changes would not be visible, would not impact the neighbours and would provide additional off-road space for securing a vehicle.

The new build prevents the neighbour getting access to repair their own property, it removes off-road car parking spaces, while simultaneously increasing demand for car parking spaces.

A read of the planning decision explains why it ticks all the boxes:

Essentially, complaints of devaluation, lack of privacy and lack of ability to maintain aren't taken into consideration.

However, because the new build provides "sustainable" development (it has a dedicated bike shed), and must be carbon-neutral then it is highly desirable and that trumps pretty much all the negatives - removal of a garage, need for an additional dropped kerb, etc.

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What would the finished house be on sale for in the current market? £350k?

There is about £100 - 130k build to do that to a good spec...

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The applicant for the planning application was Mr Andy Wreford.

Andrew James Wreford is listed as a company director of Exeter Land and Developments Limited.

Another successful application from Mr Wreford: Land adjoining 12 Pennsylvania Close, Exeter, EX4 6DJ

http://pub.exeter.gov.uk/scripts/acolnet/planning/AcolnetCGI.gov?ACTION=UNWRAP&RIPNAME=Root.PgeResultDetail&TheSystemkey=51845

(Mr Wreford's address in the application is stated as 12 Pennsylvania Close.)

Google historical image Jan 2007:

12PennsylvaniaCloseA.jpg

Permission granted June 2007.

Google image June 2013:

12PennsylvaniaCloseB.jpg

12 Pennsylvania Close sold Dec 2008 for £350,000.

Agent's brochure for new build (14 Pennsylvania Close): http://www.mckinleywhite.com/property-details/Pennsylvania%20Close%2014%20-%20Web.pdf

14PennsylvaniaClose.jpg

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Don't often see land with planning permission in my usual search on Rightmove but this one kind of highlights the need for a landprice crash.

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-31783806.html

A tiny plot, sandwiched between 2 houses. Probably worth £1.35 without PP.

Exeter Road, Topsham, Exeter, Devon

Land prices... owners not selling plots because it keeps getting more 'valuable' - and for everything we're still competing with dumb money, including retired developers, with big pensions, compounded 30 years savings, and HPI of their own, with nothing better to do than invest in family homes for upsizers to give them loads of money.

A bit further down Exeter Road (Exeter Road, Honiton) - don't think they ever sold it, despite trying at £700,000.

Our £100,000 'repo' profit: Retired couple expect healthy gain on country home they saw in the Mail on Sunday

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/property/article-1309230/Our-100-000-repo-profit-Retired-couple-expect-healthy-gain-country-home-saw-Mail-Sunday.html

6 September 2010

They knocked the price down to £500,000, but were given just seven days to exchange contracts.

article-1309230-0B101E5F000005DC-249_233

Hobby: Six months on, the couple have restored the house to its former glory

(RM link after refurb): Offers in region of £700,000 http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-27476113.html

Previously sold: £585,000 Sales Date: 12 Feb 2004 5 bedrooms http://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/EX14-1AL.html

Some encouragement that another 5 bed house in same postcode sold for £450K end of 2013, and this on market (in same postcode) at Guide Price £545,000 http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-31688088.html although the owners paid £180,000 in 2001.

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Why then are building plots so insanely small, rare and expensive?

Because it benefits the patrician class.

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I think the neighbour has every right to complain. The planning application department are corrupt to permit a house to be squeezed in that space when 95% (or whatever it is) of the UK is still unbuilt on.

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One of my neighbours recently bought a run down (falling down) house for £550K. However, it did come with 9 acres and a load of outbuildings.

He is now got some cows in his garden and is building cowsheds. They just happen to have cavity walls, nice windows and are two storeys tall.

By the time he is done, he will have at least 20 large houses on there, average plot price <£30K.

When it comes to planning, he just throws lawyers at it. The council don't seem to have the budget to argue.

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I think the neighbour has every right to complain. The planning application department are corrupt to permit a house to be squeezed in that space when 95% (or whatever it is) of the UK is still unbuilt on.

I agree. Every house needs its own green "belt" around it. Front garden to make the house look nice from the street, side gardens to allow access to the back without going through the house and a private back garden for the kids to play in.

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