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Is there an equivalent british version of the American dream ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Dream

"The American Dream is a national ethos of the United States, a set of ideals in which freedom includes the opportunity for prosperity and success, and an upward social mobility achieved through hard work."

From here,http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=199986

Work hard to get here:

"For example if they studied hard, doing a 3 year degree course and a PHd then they could get a job like this

http://www.jobs.cam.ac.uk/job/4422/"

so you can achieved upward social mobility:

"Which would be enough to buy this on only 6 times the pay for the job

http://www.rightmove...y-29853681.html"

Living the British dream !!!!

Taxi for the count...

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Are there any developed countries in the world that hold their scientists/engineers (or anything that is not a parasitic profession) in such contempt as the UK? I genuinely don't think so.

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Are there any developed countries in the world that hold their scientists/engineers (or anything that is not a parasitic profession) in such contempt as the UK? I genuinely don't think so.

You could be right. If you're not a slimey middleman/sales man or live off other peoples backs in the UK then you're a no one :lol:

Maybe that's the British dream...to be so fat lazy and useless you need other people to live off as you'd just be a failure otherwise. :P

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Are there any developed countries in the world that hold their scientists/engineers (or anything that is not a parasitic profession) in such contempt as the UK? I genuinely don't think so.

If I were a qualified engineer, I would struggle to see many reasons for staying in the UK. Being an expat can be a bit artificial, even in normal Western European countries (i.e. as opposed to the weird existence of a Middle East expat), but engineers have easily transferable skills, and in most disciplines can double or triple their salaries by moving to Germany, where the cost of living is cheaper.

Either that or move to Aberdeen to work in oil & gas, which might not suit everyone.

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It's noticeable that no UK condemlab politician seems to know where they want us to end up. If they do, they don't let us know about it. There is no vision.

There is no vision of a future productive economy that does not depend on the population having debt debt and more debt to their financial elite friends.

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Are there any developed countries in the world that hold their scientists/engineers (or anything that is not a parasitic profession) in such contempt as the UK? I genuinely don't think so.

Postdoc pay is crap everywhere. Such are the joys of the academic life.

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Are there any developed countries in the world that hold their scientists/engineers (or anything that is not a parasitic profession) in such contempt as the UK? I genuinely don't think so.

Yeah, the UK is full of spivs, middlemen and rentiers.

The UK is so far behind the curve in science and technology projects as well, all the fault of short-sighted government. Some examples:

- HS2 - Out of date before it's even built. A complete waste of money. Better off connecting the north together, or improving broadband speeds (look at South Korea)

- Fracking - By the time this happens it'll probably be uneconomical to extract. Add to that lawsuits cause by water course contamination (or perhaps the bill will be footed by water customers).

- Tech City - Yeah, let's build it in the most expensive place possible i.e. London! By the time this gets going the tech bubble will have burst.

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The British Dream? Traditional period features. Single glazed windows and an outside lavatory.

Yes, the outside lav is very des in a res, since you can convert it into the must-have walk-in pantry or utility, and thus make space in the kitchen for the Aga.

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A "British dream" existed for a short time under Thatcher. Blair and Brown sunk the country into a deep socialist dystopia which will stain this country for decades to come. Cameron and "towel folder" Osbourne are incompetent toffs who have never had to work for anything in their lives. That's why they can't wrap their heads around why HPI is bad. To them buying a house or getting a high paying job has always been a triviality so HPI is the "cherry on top" to owning a home. They assume that everyone else is the same.

I remember when Thatcher died and they was interviewing Cameron who was singing her praises. (The video will probably be on you tube somewhere). They asked him if he was a Thatcherite and he sat back with a big grin on his face and said that history would judge him. I felt almost sick watching him.

Thatcher was the son of a greengrocer. He is of the British aristocracy.

Thatcher worked to undermine the aristocracy in British politics, Cameron has put the elites firmly back in charge.

Thatcher refused to bail out failed/failing companies (interestingly, she also refused to bail out the big financial institutions when they lost a wedge underwriting the BP flotation). Cameron has continued the financial support for the finance sector.

Thatcher refused to finance a single penny of the Channel Tunnel. Cameron spends money like it is water.

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Are there any developed countries in the world that hold their scientists/engineers (or anything that is not a parasitic profession) in such contempt as the UK? I genuinely don't think so.

In the UK most of us still idolise the royal family, figureheads of a rigid class system that venerates the parasite landowner as duke,baron or lord.

You still get a lot of people that want to be landlords and dream of BTL portfolios like the wilsons. Sadly our society loves inequality, crap social mobility and parasites. No wonder the Americans revolted.

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The new American dream is exactly the same as the new British dream.....most people have yet to learn/experience it.....they still have a lot to learn.

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It's noticeable that no UK condemlab politician seems to know where they want us to end up. If they do, they don't let us know about it. There is no vision.

There is no vision of a future productive economy that does not depend on the population having debt debt and more debt to their financial elite friends.

That is the British dream. To be one of the rentier elite. Aka a 'gentleman'.

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In the UK most of us still idolise the royal family, figureheads of a rigid class system that venerates the parasite landowner as duke,baron or lord.

You still get a lot of people that want to be landlords and dream of BTL portfolios like the wilsons. Sadly our society loves inequality, crap social mobility and parasites. No wonder the Americans revolted.

This reminds me of a conversation I had with a friend. We agreed that the British national anthem is embarassing, "God save the Queen", and "long to reign over us". Deference to higher powers.

Compare this to the American national anthem, singing about a battle to overthrow foreign subjugation. "Land of the free and home of the brave". Seems a lot more inspirational to me.

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In the UK most of us still idolise the royal family, figureheads of a rigid class system that venerates the parasite landowner as duke,baron or lord.

You still get a lot of people that want to be landlords and dream of BTL portfolios like the wilsons. Sadly our society loves inequality, crap social mobility and parasites. No wonder the Americans revolted.

I find the opposite, I hardly know anyone who likes the royal familly and most would gladly see them gone, democratically of course.

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A "British dream" existed for a short time under Thatcher. Blair and Brown sunk the country into a deep socialist dystopia which will stain this country for decades to come. Cameron and "towel folder" Osbourne are incompetent toffs who have never had to work for anything in their lives. That's why they can't wrap their heads around why HPI is bad. To them buying a house or getting a high paying job has always been a triviality so HPI is the "cherry on top" to owning a home. They assume that everyone else is the same.

I remember when Thatcher died and they was interviewing Cameron who was singing her praises. (The video will probably be on you tube somewhere). They asked him if he was a Thatcherite and he sat back with a big grin on his face and said that history would judge him. I felt almost sick watching him.

Thatcher was the son of a greengrocer. He is of the British aristocracy.

Thatcher worked to undermine the aristocracy in British politics, Cameron has put the elites firmly back in charge.

Thatcher refused to bail out failed/failing companies (interestingly, she also refused to bail out the big financial institutions when they lost a wedge underwriting the BP flotation). Cameron has continued the financial support for the finance sector.

Thatcher refused to finance a single penny of the Channel Tunnel. Cameron spends money like it is water.

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Well said!

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I find the opposite, I hardly know anyone who likes the royal familly and most would gladly see them gone, democratically of course.

I don't know anybody who likes the royal family, I don't know many who dislike the more than politicians and are therefore republican, though. Certainly that's my view.

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This reminds me of a conversation I had with a friend. We agreed that the British national anthem is embarassing, "God save the Queen", and "long to reign over us". Deference to higher powers.

Compare this to the American national anthem, singing about a battle to overthrow foreign subjugation. "Land of the free and home of the brave". Seems a lot more inspirational to me.

You sound like me I think I might change my name.

I detest our national anthem its disgusting

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I don't know anybody who likes the royal family, I don't know many who dislike the more than politicians and are therefore republican, though. Certainly that's my view.

There is a huge amount of propaganda about how we love the royals, I dont know many who even like them. one day the royals visited the bbc and the presenters were fawning over them. It was an epic love fest of royalty and institution. This was after I just got off the phone with a friend who had been told he wasnt getting any dole money for 3 months despite having worked for 15 years due to administrative errors. I was broke myself and planning to take him a food parcel because there is being broke and there is not having anything to eat.

F*ck the UK and F8ck the royals, what makes the UK great are the kind generous good folk who live here. I have lived all over the uK and there are amazing people here, kind smart selfless and some of the funniest folk on earth but they are constantly smashed by perhaps the biggest bunch of c*cks on the planet.

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