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http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/crime/woman-who-stole-19-000-from-northampton-pre-school-will-pay-back-nothing-1-6193465

Woman who stole £19,000 from Northampton pre-school will pay back ‘nothing’

"The court heard that Ward had stolen the money because she had racked up huge debts to payday loan companies.2

Here's the best bit:

"Judge Smith sentenced Ward to 10 months in prison, suspended for 12 months. She must also complete 200 hours unpaid work."

So, to recap. No jail, no need to pay back. This says to me, white collar theft is now acceptable. And why not, some MPs set the example so we should all follow.

I'm not advocating this course of action, that would be just plain wrong, I am just amazed at what you can get away with in this country,

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A quick google throws up another one:

http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-bank-worker-stole-20000-5840959

Teesside bank worker stole £20,000 from employers to fund cocaine habit

"“They feel that you have been severely punished by the loss of your employment and your reputation.

“It is for that reason that I don’t have to send you to prison today.”"

WTF !!! :wacko:

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Some inconsistencys though:

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-post-office-thief-told-4002675

"A Coventry sub-postmistress who stole almost £20,000 has been ordered to pay back every penny - or face a further 12 months in prison.

Tajinder Sahota, 28, of Guardhouse Road, Coundon, had been jailed for ten months after pleading guilty to stealing from the Post Office in June last year."

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And....the blue collar form of theft:

http://www.heart.co.uk/suffolk/news/local/ipswich-men-jailed-after-post-office-robbery/

"Two men have been sentenced to a total of 16 years in prison after they plotted to rob a post office with a handgun and a knife."

"He threatened staff and was given an amount of cash before leaving the shop on foot. No-one was injured. "

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Some inconsistencys though:

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-post-office-thief-told-4002675

"A Coventry sub-postmistress who stole almost £20,000 has been ordered to pay back every penny - or face a further 12 months in prison.

Tajinder Sahota, 28, of Guardhouse Road, Coundon, had been jailed for ten months after pleading guilty to stealing from the Post Office in June last year."

It's because they're foreign init.

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And to finish off my rant:

http://www.conservativepartyconference.org.uk/Speeches/2013_Theresa_May.aspx

"Only the Conservatives can be trusted to get tough on crime."

That's why I'll not be voting for them again.

Yes you are. You are just voting for their 'UKIP brand'

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Saw this one a few weeks ago

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2687636/Finance-boss-defrauded-opera-house-250-000-fund-lavish-lifestyle-luxury-cars-holidays-Manchester-United-season-ticket.html

was allowed to sign own checks, immediately started committing fraud (to pay mortgage- Judge agrees that this is good reason) only caught when colleague was complained to about unpaid bills while perp was on holiday. Opera house may now have to close

gets 2 years (will presumably serve half this in open prison)

things is its almost as though people say "what do you expect if someone is allowed to sign checks out themselves" in others words, wouldn't we all steal to pay our mortgage if we could?

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things is its almost as though people say "what do you expect if someone is allowed to sign checks out themselves" in others words, wouldn't we all steal to pay our mortgage if we could?

No.

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Woman who stole £19,000 from Northampton pre-school will pay back ‘nothing’

"The court heard that Ward had stolen the money because she had racked up huge debts to payday loan companies.2

Here's the best bit:

"Judge Smith sentenced Ward to 10 months in prison, suspended for 12 months. She must also complete 200 hours unpaid work."

That works out as 19,000/200 = 95 GBP an hour 'unpaid' work.

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That works out as 19,000/200 = 95 GBP an hour 'unpaid' work.

No tax or ni deductions either. Good work if you can get it.

Edit. Plus 10 months free food and accommodation. FFS.

Edited by Starla

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A former head teacher of a north-west London school who admitted false accounting has been stripped of his knighthood.

Alan Davies, who led Copland School in Wembley, was knighted in February 2000 for services to education.

A notice in the London Gazette said on 9 May the decision was taken to cancel and annul the honour.

Davies, of Grants Close, Mill Hill, created a false paper trail for bonus payments and allowances.

He resigned from the £160,000 job in 2009.

Davies pleaded guilty to six counts of false accounting last year.

He had created eight back-payment documents at the same time.

Southwark Crown Court heard that Davies paid himself, three staff members and two governors a total of £2.7m over several years through bonuses and salaries.

He was given a suspended jail term.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-27518504

State school, but the local council aren't making any effort to pursue the lost millions. Still, he lost his knighthood so I guess that's okay then :huh:

Edit: link to source

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-27518504

State school, but the local council aren't making any effort to pursue the lost millions. Still, he lost his knighthood so I guess that's okay then :huh:

Edit: link to source

Sometimes I just don't understand people. Why the ****** would someone on £160,000 a year and with a good name to lose risk everything by stealing money? It's just insane.

Edit: Oh yeah, and he should have repaid the cash or gone to jail.

Edited by snowflux

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Sometimes I just don't understand people. Why the ****** would someone on £160,000 a year and with a good name to lose risk everything by stealing money? It's just insane.

Edit: Oh yeah, and he should have repaid the cash or gone to jail.

Depending on where he lives in Mill Hill (some of this is gangster mob boss and football club owner territory) I wouldn't be surprised if it all went on mortgage payments, just like the other white collar criminals mentioned up thread. Unfortunately there are a fair number of people around who lack both morals and basic reasoning skills. I can't help but feeling that this is at least in part because as a society we have removed risk from the equation, not just in relation to this kind of criminality but in the general sense of personal responsibility and acknowledging the correlation between choices and consequences. Too many people are unable to locate themselves inside a cause and effect framework (or are too quick to see that society will allow them not to bother): they see every action in their lives as an inevitable, unavoidable and inculpable response to circumstances entirely outside of their own control and for which someone else should take the blame. As reinforced by judges who accept needing to make mortgage payments as a good reason to steal money!

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Sometimes I just don't understand people. Why the ****** would someone on £160,000 a year and with a good name to lose risk everything by stealing money? It's just insane.

Edit: Oh yeah, and he should have repaid the cash or gone to jail.

I've come across a couple of these types of crimes. First one was years ago, the account at the small company I worked for was "let go", turns out he knew the boss was banging the secretary and use that fact to get away with steal a large sum of cash ( £20K rings a bell ). Then I know someone who ran a property company ion London, shafted his mates big time, 6 figure fraud.

Neither had to pay the money back, neither were arrested.

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Depending on where he lives in Mill Hill (some of this is gangster mob boss and football club owner territory) I wouldn't be surprised if it all went on mortgage payments, just like the other white collar criminals mentioned up thread. Unfortunately there are a fair number of people around who lack both morals and basic reasoning skills. I can't help but feeling that this is at least in part because as a society we have removed risk from the equation, not just in relation to this kind of criminality but in the general sense of personal responsibility and acknowledging the correlation between choices and consequences. Too many people are unable to locate themselves inside a cause and effect framework (or are too quick to see that society will allow them not to bother): they see every action in their lives as an inevitable, unavoidable and inculpable response to circumstances entirely outside of their own control and for which someone else should take the blame. As reinforced by judges who accept needing to make mortgage payments as a good reason to steal money!

Post of the month.

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http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/crime/woman-who-stole-19-000-from-northampton-pre-school-will-pay-back-nothing-1-6193465

Woman who stole £19,000 from Northampton pre-school will pay back ‘nothing’

"The court heard that Ward had stolen the money because she had racked up huge debts to payday loan companies.2

Here's the best bit:

"Judge Smith sentenced Ward to 10 months in prison, suspended for 12 months. She must also complete 200 hours unpaid work."

So, to recap. No jail, no need to pay back. This says to me, white collar theft is now acceptable. And why not, some MPs set the example so we should all follow.

I'm not advocating this course of action, that would be just plain wrong, I am just amazed at what you can get away with in this country,

Nice work if you can get it.........£19,000 for 200 hours community service......£95 per hour, no qualifications, the woman is a genius.

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I've come across a couple of these types of crimes. First one was years ago, the account at the small company I worked for was "let go", turns out he knew the boss was banging the secretary and use that fact to get away with steal a large sum of cash ( £20K rings a bell ). Then I know someone who ran a property company ion London, shafted his mates big time, 6 figure fraud.

Neither had to pay the money back, neither were arrested.

Intra company fraud is massively under-reported. It is actually difficult to get the necessary proof and even more difficult to recover any sums stolen.

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Depending on where he lives in Mill Hill (some of this is gangster mob boss and football club owner territory) I wouldn't be surprised if it all went on mortgage payments, just like the other white collar criminals mentioned up thread. Unfortunately there are a fair number of people around who lack both morals and basic reasoning skills. I can't help but feeling that this is at least in part because as a society we have removed risk from the equation, not just in relation to this kind of criminality but in the general sense of personal responsibility and acknowledging the correlation between choices and consequences. Too many people are unable to locate themselves inside a cause and effect framework (or are too quick to see that society will allow them not to bother): they see every action in their lives as an inevitable, unavoidable and inculpable response to circumstances entirely outside of their own control and for which someone else should take the blame. As reinforced by judges who accept needing to make mortgage payments as a good reason to steal money!

Post of the month.

Yes, but.

i) The state has interfered in too many ways in people's lives, 'assuming responsibility'

ii) Many have cr4p employers 'influencing destiny'

iii) Too often, the goal posts change. For example, you think house prices may correct so those who took control of their finances might afford a home, and along comes HTB to help the feckless. So, you are back to square one and the pressure on your life and relationship strengthens, if wanting to own a home is important to you.

Rightly, or wrongly, I think many people now think "I can't make a difference and sh1t happens to me".

I don't ascribe to the 'sh1t happens to me' attitude at all, but this country is increasingly difficult for many. I'd hate to be young, I think the only saving grace (if it is that) is that many don't seem to realise how they are not progressing in life.

The problem - a few have worked out how to take too much, and, as a result, too many are living on subsidies.

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Post of the month.

Thanks Winkie ;)

Yes, but.

i) The state has interfered in too many ways in people's lives, 'assuming responsibility'

ii) Many have cr4p employers 'influencing destiny'

iii) Too often, the goal posts change. For example, you think house prices may correct so those who took control of their finances might afford a home, and along comes HTB to help the feckless. So, you are back to square one and the pressure on your life and relationship strengthens, if wanting to own a home is important to you.

Rightly, or wrongly, I think many people now think "I can't make a difference and sh1t happens to me".

I don't ascribe to the 'sh1t happens to me' attitude at all, but this country is increasingly difficult for many. I'd hate to be young, I think the only saving grace (if it is that) is that many don't seem to realise how they are not progressing in life.

The problem - a few have worked out how to take too much, and, as a result, too many are living on subsidies.

I agree that the underlying trend is societal and often state-driven, and that some things are genuinely outside of an individual's control, the problem is that quite a few people (a sizeable minority?) don't seem to be able to tell the difference between what is and isn't something of their own choosing any more!

Clearly this phenomenon is cross-generational but I'm hopeful that the overall trend will reverse and that younger generations will be more likely to feel a sense of personal responsibility and to consciously check out of systems that are ultimately gamed against them and over which they have no control (such as bubbilicious housing markets) as per Venger's 'Generational Short' thread last month: http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=199192&hl=

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Thanks Winkie ;)

I agree that the underlying trend is societal and often state-driven, and that some things are genuinely outside of an individual's control, the problem is that quite a few people (a sizeable minority?) don't seem to be able to tell the difference between what is and isn't something of their own choosing any more!

Clearly this phenomenon is cross-generational but I'm hopeful that the overall trend will reverse and that younger generations will be more likely to feel a sense of personal responsibility and to consciously check out of systems that are ultimately gamed against them and over which they have no control (such as bubbilicious housing markets) as per Venger's 'Generational Short' thread last month: http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=199192&hl=

I think we are on the same wavelength, but we weren't talking about the future, it was the present. I agree about the future

Some young are waking up although they may not realise, direclty. They are just not bothering to join the system because it is now out of reach, completely. In increasing numbers the young are idling their lives away unemployed or in dead-end jobs, which is a waste of their potential, but which may upset the system in the future as an unintended consequence.

If I'm selfish, I'm concerned about what the country will be like in my retirement. Which is why I want to give the young a future and why I try to change the system, but that backfires spectacularly as it requires others on unsustainable and overly comfortable lives to make some sacrifices.

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