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How Can Anybody Support The Zionist Regime In Israel?

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Again the Israeli's are on the rampage in Gaza, over 400 Palestinians killed in the last week, around a quarter of those dead are young children.

I am always amazed that so many citizens in the U.S, especially so called Christians, can blindly support the actions of Israel, a state founded upon Jewish terrorism.

Israel was created by Zionists. Zionism is a Jewish nationalist movement that mirrors the Far Right Nationalist Fascist movements of Europe. Ever heard of Jabotinsky's Jewish Brownshirts?

Straight from the start these Zionist settlers dreamed of expelling the Palestinian Arabs from the area and making it for Jews only.

First they started by buying up land off absentee Ottoman landlords and expelling Palestinians from lands they had worked for centuries.

Then the Brits arrived and seized the area. They made promises to both sides about who would and should live there. Arabs tried to dispel the British but the Zionists supported the new men in power and fought along side British forces.

Then the Zionists started to become more militant, creating terrorist squads and attacking the British stationed in Palestine. These terrorists blew people up, murdered Arabs and British and on one occasion murdered over 90 people with one terrorist bomb.

Eventually the British wanted out and handed the problem over to the newly created U.N. who created borders that gave the Jews over 50% of the land even though at the time they only occupied around 10%.

Obviously the Palestinians weren't happy but even before the Zionists declared unilateral independence they had begun a campaign of ethnic cleansing against the native Arabs, with over 750,000 civilians forced to flee. The 1948 war wasn't a 'David vs Goliath' event as the Zionists love to make out. They Zionists were just as well equipped as the Arabs and had more troops on the ground then the combined Arab forces put together.

Most of Israel's former Prime Minister's were terrorists, including the first PM Ben -Gurion.

After this came the Lavon affair where the new Zionist state planned terrorist attacks on neighbour Egypt.

In 1956 Israel launches an unprovoked attack on Egypt at the behest of Britain and France, triggering the Suez crisis.

Then came the 6 Day War in 1967 where again Israel is the aggressor, launching a surprise attack on Egypt and during this they also deliberately attacked the USS Liberty killing 34 U.S crew members. If any other country in the world had deliberately attacked a U.S vessel there would have been hell to pay but for some reason the Zionists get away with it scot free.

The list goes on and on . . .

Anyway here's a link to a documentary made by a former IDF soldier explaining the history of Zionism. After watching it how could anybody still support the Zionist cause over the plight of the Palestinians?

The Zionist Story -

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How can anyone support Fascist Arab terrorists? Yes that's right I used the "F" word but it is true. It's ok for Hamas (a terrorist organisation) to launch rockets across the border and kill people, after all its only dirty, rotten Zionists that they are killing, so that doesn't matter does it?

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How can anyone support Fascist Arab terrorists? Yes that's right I used the "F" word but it is true. It's ok for Hamas (a terrorist organisation) to launch rockets across the border and kill people, after all its only dirty, rotten Zionists that they are killing, so that doesn't matter does it?

What about proportionality? So far, in this round, 425 Palestinians against 13 Israeli soldiers.

And what justice is there in shelling kids on the beach, and just generally shelling civilian areas?

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What about proportionality? So far, in this round, 425 Palestinians against 13 Israeli soldiers.

And what justice is there in shelling kids on the beach, and just generally shelling civilian areas?

It's a war, you don't fight it using Queensberry rules. So much for proportionality.

And it's not like Hamas are known for their care and discernment when picking targets.

IMHO Israel should never have been created and the OP is correct about the dubious historical backdrop to the formation of Israel. That was simply never going to end well, and I am under no illusions as to what the early Israelis were like - killing Folke Bernadotte the UN diplomat, among other things.

However that was 70+ years ago now. The poor schmucks living in Israel (and Palestine) today have to deal with the **** sandwich bequeathed to them by earlier generations, and I can't really see a way out. I suspect if the Arabs renounced violence the Israelis would do likewise, whereas the inverse is evidently not going to happen, so I would say the ball is in the Arab court.

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American Christians support Israel because they can't have the Second Coming without it. Every time some Arabs attack Israel they get a stiffy, because they think they're about to get Raptured Away.

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American Christians support Israel because they can't have the Second Coming without it. Every time some Arabs attack Israel they get a stiffy, because they think they're about to get Raptured Away.

And American Christian Zionists are the first to pick up the phone and call their congressmen or senators when it looks like aid money for the Jewish state is going to be cut back.

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If you look at jewish power in the US - in media and banking in particular - it becomes very clear as to why the US political system and foreign policy puts irsael on the top of their agenda.

Just watch the AIPAC speeches given by want-to-be presidents, practically grovelling to them to become the next US president.

It’s utterly bizarre.

But if you control the media and the money, you have immense power.

And with that power you can also brainwash the lemmings.

I hope the Palestinians keep firing them rockets.. completely useless but it’s better to tell the world you will die on your feet, not on your knees. Honourable.

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Just watch the AIPAC speeches given by want-to-be presidents, practically grovelling to them to become the next US president.

It’s utterly bizarre.

Just to declare my interest, I am a big fan of the jewish people and the state of Israel. They have a great history, I am impressed by people who can make something out of nothing.

But it is funny watching Americans debate Israel on telly. I haven't actually seen any presedential debates, but even the left wing commentators are so pro Israel it's ridiculous.

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Regarding those three israeli teenagers who were murdered and used as a pretext for the latest Gaza massacres, it's looking more and more like the the Israeli Government knew all along that Hamas weren't involved. They knew the teenagers were dead yet still let their mothers travel to the U.N to plead for the boys safe return! What kind of sick minds manipulate a population into a murderous frenzy to support massacring hundreds of kids? Oh I know - the the racist Ultra Nationalist Zionist scumbags who control the Israeli government, the same people many misguided Americans love to support.

Another fact that is less known — but perhaps more important — is that within hours of the three teens’ disappearance on June 12, Israeli officials knew that they were dead. Yet for the next two weeks authorities put on a phony rescue effort, instituted a gag order to prevent the public from knowing the truth and rallied the Jewish domestic and diaspora populations in anticipation of their move against Hamas.

Knowing that the teens were already dead, the Israeli government even sent the mothers of the abductees to the United Nations’ Human Rights Council to raise international awareness and plead for their boys’ safe return. Then the IDF launched Operation Brother’s Keeper, the most extensive military operation in the West Bank for more than a decade, under the auspices of saving the missing teens whom, again, they knew to be deceased.

The recent explosion of violence in Gaza may have been initially sparked by false or inaccurate claims, according to Israeli police.

The ongoing conflict began last month when three Israeli teenagers were kidnapped from a Jewish settlement in the occupied West Bank. Their bodies were later discovered in a field outside the city of Hebron. Before police were able to determine who was responsible, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu placed blame for the tragic deaths squarely on Hamas, Gaza’s elected political leadership—an accusation that may prove to be false.

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As far as I am concerned, anyone who supports the Israeli mass slaughter and murder of Palestinians, isn't human.

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Well more iraqis were probably killed every week of our war, than palestinians have been killed in the last decade. Same for the Congo, Syria. What's the big deal with israel?

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What about proportionality? So far, in this round, 425 Palestinians against 13 Israeli soldiers.

And what justice is there in shelling kids on the beach, and just generally shelling civilian areas?

Just because Hamas is not able to put unrestricted GPS on rockets ...

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What's the big deal with israel?

Probably that it was entirely preventable and provoked by Israel in the first place.

When Kerry was over there last year it all got very close to decent progress in the peace talks.

Then just as it looked like there would be a break through Israel announced they were going to expand their illegal settlements / land grabs.

This unsurprisingly pissed off the palistinians who said such a move would scupper the peace talks and urged Israel to reconsider.

Israel stuck two fingers up and told the to go **** themselves.

Peace talks broke down, Kerry pulled his hair out and left.

Hamas resumed attacks so Israel (true to form) have reverted to levelling Gaza and any citizens unlucky enough to live there.

Now Israel are crying like babies and playing the victim because the international community disapprove of their actions.

This is the childish level of diplomacy we are dealing with here.

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What's the big deal with israel?

They've built a wall around a pretty much defenceless group of people.

Cut them off from the world and supplies.

And bomb them relentlessly. Targeting children in particular.

There have been videos posted of jews singing “no school in the morning, all the children are dead”.

And twitter post after twitter post celebrating the death of children.

They are truly a horrid group of people.

And of course, because of their massive US political, financial and media power the world turns a blind eye.

Hell, the US has just re-stocked their munition supplies.

More schools and children playing on the beach will soon be turned to dust.

That’s the where the US tax dollars are going.

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Big Society, British values blah blah

Murdering kids in school in Gaza - complete silence from the British PM

A sad apology for a human being.

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Its like shooting fish in a barrel. Hopefully we will see a few top Israelis tried for war crimes and executed.

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What about proportionality? So far, in this round, 425 Palestinians against 13 Israeli soldiers.

And what justice is there in shelling kids on the beach, and just generally shelling civilian areas?

An update on those figures

Confirmation of Lt Goldin's death means 66 Israelis have now died in the fighting, all but two of them soldiers.

Some 1,670 Palestinians, mostly civilians, have been killed since the conflict began more than three weeks ago.

It turns out that the missing Israeli soldier Lt Goldin was actually killed by an Israeli air strike - in response: Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu has promised that Hamas will pay an "intolerable price"

But the Israelis have the money so they will continue getting support from the USA.

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There are two essential reasons why far more Palestinians have died than Israelis.

1 - Israel has been successful in preventing Hamas and their ilk from obtaining the weaponry needed to cause large numbers of Israeli casualties. Few would dispute that if they had it, they'd use it.

2 - Hamas's policy of deliberately putting civilians in harm's way, e.g. storing missiles in school buildings. How many miiltary facilities are there in Israel that are situated in close proximity to hundreds of children?

It is the stated position of many of the governments surrounding Israel that Israel has no right to exist. If Scotland, Wales and France held the official position that England should not exist and started firing missles at London - even largely ineffective ones that only killed the odd person occasionally - would you advocate not responding with everything you've got?

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There are two essential reasons why far more Palestinians have died than Israelis.

1 - Israel has been successful in preventing Hamas and their ilk from obtaining the weaponry needed to cause large numbers of Israeli casualties. Few would dispute that if they had it, they'd use it.

2 - Hamas's policy of deliberately putting civilians in harm's way, e.g. storing missiles in school buildings. How many miiltary facilities are there in Israel that are situated in close proximity to hundreds of children?

It is the stated position of many of the governments surrounding Israel that Israel has no right to exist. If Scotland, Wales and France held the official position that England should not exist and started firing missles at London - even largely ineffective ones that only killed the odd person occasionally - would you advocate not responding with everything you've got?

This is a disproportionate slaughter which contradicts all norms of humanity and clearly contravenes the Christian teaching as to what constitutes a just war.

And Israel has been not only responsible for the creation of Hamas, but its promotion at the expense of PLO/Fatah.

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I find the BBC coverage of this particularly sickening.

You can tell that the journalists on the ground in Gaza are trying to get the truth out but there's obviously an editorial/managerial edict to tone down any condemnation of the ongoing war crimes and genocide.

Not entirely surprising, given how the BBC refused to broadcast the Disasters Emergency Committee appeal for humanitarian aid to Gaza back in 2009, the last time Gazans were slaughtered en-masse.

I wonder will they take a similar stance this time? Quite apart from the immediate massive civilian death toll, there is sure to be a huge humanitarian crisis as large parts of the already overcrowded Gaza Ghetto have been leveled, leaving thousands (probably tens of thousands) homeless. Not to mention that what little infrastructred existed has been smashed - the destruction of the only power station springs to mind. I can't imagine that whatever water/sewerage treatment they had will be undamaged either - never mind that there won't be any power for it. And then there's the schools that have been shelled and the hospitals which also were attacked too.

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