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I guess rents are very sticky, people don't like to move.

Rents seem to be flat or going down slightly where I am at least.

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http://www.publicfinance.co.uk/news/2014/07/ifs-housing-benefit-cuts-felt-by-tenants-not-landlords/

Apologies if already posted but this summary of IFS report indicates that tenants have taken the hit in a reduction in incomes. Seems to be a very share for the tenant.

There are enough people looking to pay silly prices way above HB rent levels for HB cuts to not be a problem?

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http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28339128

You can tell there is an election due -The Lib Dems have woken up.

"New tenants in the social rented sector should still be subject to the changes, he said, but existing tenants would only be penalised if they were offered a "suitable smaller home and, crucially, turn it down"."

Only what I've said all along.

It should also be applied to old age pensioners too.

Build a few hundred thousand nice bungalows and get the family housing stock emptied up.

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"New tenants in the social rented sector should still be subject to the changes, he said, but existing tenants would only be penalised if they were offered a "suitable smaller home and, crucially, turn it down"."

Only what I've said all along.

It should also be applied to old age pensioners too.

Build a few hundred thousand nice bungalows and get the family housing stock emptied up.

Oh look one/two bed social flats being torn down in Manchester yesterday

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Edited by aSecureTenant

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I have seen a lot of council flats being torn down in London recently. Do you know why those were being torn down?

Not a great advert for councils being in charge of housing people.

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I have seen a lot of council flats being torn down in London recently. Do you know why those were being torn down?

Not a great advert for councils being in charge of housing people.

To sell of the land after a year or two.

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London and elsehwere

They've run out of business premises, industrial units, factories and utility premises to shut down and tear down for brownfield so they have resorted to council housing.

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The bedroom tax was never about reallocation of scarce housing- it was about Tory pandering to anti welfare sentiment in the hope of garnering votes-sure a few people killed themselves from the stress and some families got evicted but who gives a fu*ck about that.

I hope the Lib dems get destroyed in the next election- if there was a way to use my vote negatively to achieve that I would do it. I will dance on their political grave.

Edit to add- I have been a lib dem voter for twenty years- because I thought they had principles. :lol:

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The bedroom tax was never about reallocation of scarce housing- it was about Tory pandering to anti welfare sentiment in the hope of garnering votes

On what basis do you make that claim?

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The bedroom tax was never about reallocation of scarce housing- it was about Tory pandering to anti welfare sentiment in the hope of garnering votes-sure a few people killed themselves from the stress and some families got evicted but who gives a fu*ck about that.

I'm not sure I'd credit them with so much competence.

Although not relocating pensioners definitely flags it up as extremely flawed and highlights a political element (pensioners vote blue so leave them be).

The bedroom tax in my area has been next to useless as the vast majority of the larger social housing left is occupied by little old ladies. So we still have nearly all the much needed council places with 3/4 beds with just 1 person in them (and presumably will until the pensioners die).

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I'm not sure I'd credit them with so much competence.

Although not relocating pensioners definitely flags it up as extremely flawed and highlights a political element (pensioners vote blue so leave them be).

The bedroom tax in my area has been next to useless as the vast majority of the larger social housing left is occupied by little old ladies. So we still have nearly all the much needed council places with 3/4 beds with just 1 person in them (and presumably will until the pensioners die).

I know of 2 local cases ( relatives of friends) where granny refuses to be moved from their 3 bed semi det' "family home" council house even though they are the only person occupying it and mobility issues mean they can only use the ground floor.

As the pensioner population explodes and males typically due sooner I don't doubt that there are going to he tens of thousands of similar cases across the nation. Funny the Daily mail doesn't highlight this waste of public housing in a housing crisis.

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The article doesn't seem to say what has happened to places that are 5 bed plus? This was a major change, when the upper end benefit cut was changed to a limit of £1600 per month and no more than 4+ beds paid for by LHA. Remember that councils such as Westminster in London were getting ever increasing numbers of large families moving there, mostly first generation immigrant families, to live in large central London townhouses. That was literally under the government's nose and there was a lot of pressure to get it stopped. The head of Westminster council was interviewed more than once saying they had to house these large families unless the law changed.

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The article doesn't seem to say what has happened to places that are 5 bed plus? This was a major change, when the upper end benefit cut was changed to a limit of £1600 per month and no more than 4+ beds paid for by LHA. Remember that councils such as Westminster in London were getting ever increasing numbers of large families moving there, mostly first generation immigrant families, to live in large central London townhouses. That was literally under the government's nose and there was a lot of pressure to get it stopped. The head of Westminster council was interviewed more than once saying they had to house these large families unless the law changed.

You could always look in the report itself https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/329745/rr871-lha-econometric-analysis-of-the-impacts-of-reforms-on-existing-claimants.pdf

Page 10 has some relevant points.

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Oh look one/two bed social flats being torn down in Manchester yesterday

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Which one is that?

It looks like the Oldham road ones ..

Special brew cans in litter on park so could well be :)

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I'm not sure I'd credit them with so much competence.

Although not relocating pensioners definitely flags it up as extremely flawed and highlights a political element (pensioners vote blue so leave them be).

The bedroom tax in my area has been next to useless as the vast majority of the larger social housing left is occupied by little old ladies. So we still have nearly all the much needed council places with 3/4 beds with just 1 person in them (and presumably will until the pensioners die).

Of course if they pay out of their own money then the bedroom tax wouldn't help.

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"New tenants in the social rented sector should still be subject to the changes, he said, but existing tenants would only be penalised if they were offered a "suitable smaller home and, crucially, turn it down"."

Only what I've said all along.

It should also be applied to old age pensioners too.

Build a few hundred thousand nice bungalows and get the family housing stock emptied up.

Well, your logic is impeccable - but it's just a sticking plaster, and a temporary one at that, for a problem that our governments just refuse to deal with.

This one is good on blame but whether its blaming immigrants (OK technically Ukrap dragged them happily into that one) pensioners, disabled or the poor clearly it's a case of avoid the central problems at all costs, avoid, avoid,avoid.

Why on earth are we fretting about the HB bill and ignoring the circumstances that make houses un affordable in the first place ?

And even if we despair at government, why isn't the media holding them to account on the ludicrous irrationality of the entire enterprise ?

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Why on earth are we fretting about the HB bill and ignoring the circumstances that make houses un affordable in the first place ?

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It's not the HB on it's own. It's heating and managing a house that's way too big for you.

We pay OAPs fuel allowance to help them stay in their big houses. Insane.

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It is plainly sensible to allocate housing paid for by the taxpayer on the most efficient basis, which is plainly the obvious motivation for this reallocation of subsidy. But putting the silly socialist 'bedroom tax' meme and bandwagon to one side for a moment, it is also plainly nuts to be concerned with the cost of housing to the taxpayer on one hand whilst at the same time stoking the housing bubble with schemes on the other.

There has been a push me pull you situation around this whole issue for some time. Crazy.

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It is plainly sensible to allocate housing paid for by the taxpayer on the most efficient basis, which is plainly the obvious motivation for this reallocation of subsidy. But putting the silly socialist 'bedroom tax' meme and bandwagon to one side for a moment, it is also plainly nuts to be concerned with the cost of housing to the taxpayer on one hand whilst at the same time stoking the housing bubble with schemes on the other.

There has been a push me pull you situation around this whole issue for some time. Crazy.

I flip between thinking its nuts to thinking its just evil.

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