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Incest No Longer A Taboo, Says Australian Judge

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Across the world it is considered one of the final taboos – but a Sydney judge has suggested that incest is on a par with homosexuality.

District Court Judge Garry Neilson has been criticised for espousing the view that sexual contact between siblings or between adults and children should perhaps no longer be viewed as “unnatural” or “taboo”, the Sydney Morning Herald reported.

Neilson drew parallels with widely changing attitudes towards gay sex. In the same way, he said, “a jury might find nothing untoward in the advance of a brother towards his sister once she had sexually matured, had sexual relationships with other men and was now ‘available’, not having [a] sexual partner”.

The judge went on to say that incest is only criminalised because of the high chance that any resulting offspring will be born with serious birth defects, but added that “even that [risk] falls away to an extent [because] there is such ease of contraception and readily access to abortion”.

Not a controversial viewpoint at all!

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It's two consenting adults in private which as I understand it was the basis of decriminalising homosexuality. The arguments against it basically boil down to it being distasteful to most people, which again was the argument against homosexuality. There isn't a victim so where's the crime?

But as there's no big lobby group there are no votes in it so can't see the law changing.

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It's two consenting adults in private which as I understand it was the basis of decriminalising homosexuality. The arguments against it basically boil down to it being distasteful to most people, which again was the argument against homosexuality. There isn't a victim so where's the crime?

But as there's no big lobby group there are no votes in it so can't see the law changing.

One could argue that having two heads and three arms would make you a victim. Perhaps sterilisation could be a solution though.

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One could argue that having two heads and three arms would make you a victim. Perhaps sterilisation could be a solution though.

The judge addresses this exact point.

It's rare to have a judge speaking sense like this, one awaits the pronouncements of the effect of decriminalising drugs.

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Not a controversial viewpoint at all!

The judge addresses this exact point.

It's rare to have a judge speaking sense like this, one awaits the pronouncements of the effect of decriminalising drugs.

Looking forward to the pics of your hot sisters :D

Seriously though, re. the judge's solution to these problems, maybe the real story is that contraception and abortion aren't taboo any more. In a sense, the real surprise is that it's taken so long for incest to come under this spotlight. Meanwhile over on the main forum section people are discussing the looming pensions crisis/disaster. Anyone joining the dots? Demographic winter is upon us....

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I remember as a kid the fact that you weren't allowed to marry your cousin being an important rule of life that was drilled into us (or at least was mentioned, and made an impression on me). That seems to have lost its taboo status, so I guess incest is next up.

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I remember as a kid the fact that you weren't allowed to marry your cousin being an important rule of life that was drilled into us (or at least was mentioned, and made an impression on me). That seems to have lost its taboo status, so I guess incest is next up.

Sometimes it's the other way round in Pakistan!

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I remember as a kid the fact that you weren't allowed to marry your cousin being an important rule of life that was drilled into us (or at least was mentioned, and made an impression on me). That seems to have lost its taboo status, so I guess incest is next up.

well it still is, for good reason.

anybody who has bred pedigree or show animals knows that if you mate two that are too closely related, it dramatically increases the chances of deformities.

same for people.

pity the aristocrats and the pakistanis's haven't figured it out.

...anybody here work in paediatrics?( childrens's medicine not kiddie fiddling!), care to back this up from the coal face?

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If you have a fit sister who is up for it then why not. Its been going on since the beginning of time. Enjoy. In many cultures it is quite normal

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I remember as a kid the fact that you weren't allowed to marry your cousin being an important rule of life that was drilled into us (or at least was mentioned, and made an impression on me). That seems to have lost its taboo status, so I guess incest is next up.

Don't think that cousin marriage is prohibited by law

http://www.weddingguideuk.com/prohibited-marriages/

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..anybody here work in paediatrics?( childrens's medicine not kiddie fiddling!), care to back this up from the coal face?

I have no first hand evidence, but from what I've been told Bradford is a bit of a Mecca for specialists in genetic disease due to all the inbreeding going on in the Asian commmunity.

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Thought I'd do a quick google on this and found this page:

http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/73-brahmachari/1009-inbreeding-and-resulting-genetic-disorder-in-muslim-community-part-4.html

A great line in there:

Mohammed Saleem Khan, chief executive of the Bradford Council for Mosques, said: ‘It is important to discuss these issues, but I just do not know of any firm evidence backing up Professor Jones’s claims. I think we need more conclusive studies so we can know for certain if there is any genuine risk. Marriages between cousins are certainly common within south Asia, but it is becoming less so in Britain and also in Bradford. Islam allows you to marry anyone you want, so in many ways Islam promotes diversity.

Yey Islam :D

Some interesting comments too.

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well it still is, for good reason.

anybody who has bred pedigree or show animals knows that if you mate two that are too closely related, it dramatically increases the chances of deformities.

same for people.

pity the aristocrats and the pakistanis's haven't figured it out.

...anybody here work in paediatrics?( childrens's medicine not kiddie fiddling!), care to back this up from the coal face?

As you say, the decline of fitness is called inbreeding depression, and it results from the sharing of common alleles by descent, which increases the probability of expression of deleterious recessive traits. The opposite - outcrossing - manifests itself as hybrid vigour or heterosis.

Inbreeding depression leads to loss of fitness. It is visible among humans

Of course many embryos or fetuses abort and so are never seen. Pre-implantation genetic diagnosis is a method to help couples that by ill fortune are both heterozygous for similar deleterious recessive alleles.

The loss of fitness is much more rapid in small closed populations.

Incidentally, this is why Zoos go out of their way to facilitate outbreeding - moving animals around etc. There was a notable recent case of a giraffe calf that a Danish zoo killed in order to prevent it's genes re-entering the small captive-bred gene pool.

You can apply exactly the same rationale to humans, which is why inbreeding is discouraged. Mating between cousins has always been permitted.

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As you say, the decline of fitness is called inbreeding depression, and it results from the sharing of common alleles by descent, which increases the probability of expression of deleterious recessive traits. The opposite - outcrossing - manifests itself as hybrid vigour or heterosis.

Inbreeding depression leads to loss of fitness. It is visible among humans

Of course many embryos or fetuses abort and so are never seen. Pre-implantation genetic diagnosis is a method to help couples that by ill fortune are both heterozygous for similar deleterious recessive alleles.

The loss of fitness is much more rapid in small closed populations.

Incidentally, this is why Zoos go out of their way to facilitate outbreeding - moving animals around etc. There was a notable recent case of a giraffe calf that a Danish zoo killed in order to prevent it's genes re-entering the small captive-bred gene pool.

You can apply exactly the same rationale to humans, which is why inbreeding is discouraged. Mating between cousins has always been permitted.

No ! they just killed it because some lions were hungry, and somebody had not gone to the butchers! And it made a great show for children!

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No ! they just killed it because some lions were hungry, and somebody had not gone to the butchers! And it made a great show for children!

Scandalous. I think we need Butler Sloss to get to the bottom of this.

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No ! they just killed it because some lions were hungry, and somebody had not gone to the butchers! And it made a great show for children!

shhhh!!

can't show that, the health+safety nazis want everybody to think the natural world resembles telly-tubby-land.

people and animals killing stuff to eat is not on the menu.

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I presume by that definition a gay relationship between two brothers is fine then?

buggered if I know :wacko::lol::lol::lol::lol:

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My pal banged his cousin. Quite tidy - massive cans and by her own admission - swallows every drop.

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Apparently, the risk of inbreeding is considered quite high in Iceland.

Iceland, famously, has genealogical records going back centuries, making them useful reseach group in genetic studies.

i understand there is even an iPhone app there so you can check that a potential partner is not too closely related before you waste time buying them a drink ;D

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I believe the French Canadians are descended from a genetic pool of only a few thousand souls, and it doesn't seem to have done them any harm, Celine Dion excepted. And the Tasmanians.

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Back when 'Brookside' had a brother sister incest storyline, I got into a prolonged argument with a couple of female coworkers that believed everything the tube fed them. afaik, there is no UK law wrt incest between adults. Even if there is, I know of no prosecution for such but threat of prosecution was part of the Brookside storyline.

Imagine the court case: Her on witness stand; 'Did you have sex with your brother? No. No proof, end of prosecution.

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