crash2006 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 (edited) George Osborne hailed the findings as evidence that flagship policies are paying off amid growing concerns that about the pressure Britain's ageing population is putting on care budgets and public services. I love that, if they were working then there would be no need to rise the pension age, so its not working. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10960560/Future-generations-will-work-longer-to-pay-off-Britains-debt.html Edited July 10, 2014 by crash2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corruption Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Wonder if this tw4.t will take the applause for the future housing benefit bill. No matter which way i look at this nation i cant but help thinking its screwed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crash2006 Posted July 11, 2014 Author Share Posted July 11, 2014 Wonder if this tw4.t will take the applause for the future housing benefit bill. No matter which way i look at this nation i cant but help thinking its screwed. LOL , the housing benefit bill in 20 to 30 years is going to be huge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeownership Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 As a Father, it really bothers me that my Son who is 3 years old, will inherit an expectation that his generation of British Citizen, will have a National Debt of Trillions of Pounds. Little prospect of a decent home, unless I can scam a way to give him mine when I die less taxes. Dire employment prospects compared to myself when I was 16 years old and an education system micromanaged by Michael Gove. Its time we changed the way we do things isnt it, unless lets face it the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland isnt going to be worth a damn, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiveinHope Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 I think the nation's sport should be changed to 'can kicking', we'd stand a fair chance in a footcan World Cup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interestrateripoff Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 (edited) It's the exponential problem. The growth in debt is fuelling GDP growth without it we have collapse. Edited July 11, 2014 by interestrateripoff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainlessSteelCat Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 The debt will never be paid off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 The debt will never be paid off. Only secured debt that is covered by that debt can be paid off......the rest is anyone's guess.....all depends what you have got to lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RentaBear Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Or perhaps, they'll just vote in any party that suggests we turn Logan's Run into the nationwide elderly care policy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reck B Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Someone, anyone! please push the button. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
campervanman Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 (edited) Proportionately the debt is lower now than it was in 1945. One of the main differences between now and 1945 and now though is that back then most people realised that allowing the top 1% to cream off an ever increasing amount of national income would never lead to an economy that would provide jobs that paid enough to not only provide the taxes to pay off the debt but also to provide healthcare, pensions and schools for future generations. Of course that all changed in 1979 when turkeys started to vote for xmas. Edited July 13, 2014 by campervanman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Someone, anyone! please push the button. Surely that favours the indebted, who, arguably, caused the problem by recklessly borrowing more than they could ever hope to repay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy soy Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Osborne is pathetic. Loading up the debt on to younger generations forced to work in to the 70's to shield his client voter base from reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatientlyWaiting Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Given the birth rate amongst those with any decent earnings, I suspect once their parents are dead / emigrated themselves, these "future generations" will be off very swiftly. They'll have no house to keep them here either. Let the bidding by country for these productive earners of the future begin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frederico Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Don't be daft, the UK will default way before any debt gets paid off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_FaFa!_* Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 All savings are debt, all money is debt - so why would you want to remove debt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderpup Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Surely that favours the indebted, who, arguably, caused the problem by recklessly borrowing more than they could ever hope to repay. Before a single reckless borrower can exist there must first be a reckless lender. So the argument then becomes who is best placed to evaluate risk- a skyscraper full of math PhD's or the local postman. I can still remember the days when roughly 50% of my daily post consisted of letters from financial institutions offering to lend me money. So in my view the lenders are at least as responsible for the mess and so they should take some of the consequences. If lending money were risk free on what basis could they justify risk premia? Lending money is supposed to entail risk of losses- it's only because we live in the age of the bailout that the idea has taken hold that no lender should take a hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderpup Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 All savings are debt, all money is debt - so why would you want to remove debt? If debt is wealth then the world has never been richer than it is today. Of course much of that debt represents overlapping and mutually exclusive claims on the same real world economy. The real problem is not really debt- nothing is more simple to eliminate than debt- the real problem is deciding whose IOU's get paid out and whose don't. And if there's one thing the 1% agree on- it won't be their claims that get trashed- even if every hospital, every pension scheme and every welfare system has to be gutted to pay them- they will get their pound of flesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigantic Purple Slug Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 So someone outside the country has it? This is the only reason IMO it has any significance. National debt only matters a) if it is owed to someone outside the country and it is owed in something that is not under that countries control (in our case dollars, gold etc). Otherwise it is just an accounting mechanism. Since I think from charts that other people have posted approx 35% of the national debt is owed to foreigners, 65% of it can be written off at a stroke (in the same way as if one of your own bank accounts is in debt and the other is in credit, what matters is the overall difference, not what is in each of them). Of course there will be winners and losers in this process. And of course the government won't do it all at once, it will unwind it slowly over time, like QE. National debt is a big red herring IMO. Seems to me that the people who think it is a big issue are the people who think household economics=country economics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frederico Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Haha, wrong.. No such thing as a free lunch. (For the UK) In fact even for the US, they can last a lot longer because of natural resources. But even they will deplete in the end. The US may or may have already developed technologies that other countries need and can not recreate. The UK has house prices and bankers. Somebody somewhere is owed the debt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gf3 Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 If they taaxed every household an extra £200 a month their rent would drop by £200 a month wouldn't it? Only house owners would be worse off. So the increase in national debt helps the rentiers doesn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkins Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 If they taaxed every household an extra £200 a month their rent would drop by £200 a month wouldn't it? Only house owners would be worse off. So the increase in national debt helps the rentiers doesn't it? Council tax went up from about £500 per household in 1997 to around £1.5k per household in 2007. Did rents drop by £1k per household in that time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Before a single reckless borrower can exist there must first be a reckless lender. All lenders are reckless when they know the money is free to lend and they can't lose......it is down to the borrowers to control their desires. Just because you are given six credit cards available with £6k limit, doesn't mean you have go shopping and spend it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frederico Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 So why do we have credit checks etc, seems a waste of time to me, just lend everyone as much as they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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