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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27969885

A so-called HS3 high-speed rail link between Manchester and Leeds could help to create a "northern global powerhouse", George Osborne has said.

He told the BBC better road and rail links would allow cities across northern England from Liverpool to Hull "to take on the world", as London did.

The chancellor said the plan could cost up to £7bn - but could be cheaper if existing rail lines were updated.

Labour said "nobody" believed the Tories could deliver jobs in the north.

Mr Osborne told BBC Radio 4's Today programme - before a speech in Manchester - that the cities in the North of England were individually strong but were "collectively not strong enough".

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There is, however, little detail about how these plans would be funded, and Mr Osborne said he did not yet have timescales - but he wanted "to start a conversation".

Mr Osborne also told the BBC he wanted to see new positions of elected mayoralties being created - including one for Greater Manchester along the lines of London's - to help drive forward economic growth in the north.

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Ah election time. Creating a northern hub should be seen as a priority over a link to London.

Manchester, Sheffield, Leeds, York, Newcastle, Birmingham etc should all be linked together. However the idea is to suck more life out of the North and improve London.

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Ah election time. Creating a northern hub should be seen as a priority over a link to London.

Manchester, Sheffield, Leeds, York, Newcastle, Birmingham etc should all be linked together. However the idea is to suck more life out of the North and improve London.

East West rail travel has aways been poorly served in the UK apart from the lines into London and the Edinburgh to Glasgow connection

Try getting from Norwich to Birmingham New Street if you have a day of your life to waste

Half the National Enquiries train route you via London which is a journey of 117 miles from Norwich only 42 miles less than the 159 mile distance from Norwich to Birmingham. In fact the Norwich-London-Birmingham route makes you travel 218 miles to your destination. Even when there is a direct link such as the line from Norwich to Peterborough the 65 mile journey takes over 90 minutes. Needless to say the vast majority of trains from Peterborough to London do their 77 mile journey in under an hour.

http://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/service/timesandfares/NRW/BHM/today/0337/dep#outwardJump

It is the same problem on the South Coast where you cannot travel East west from Dover to Southampton and beyond without going to London or from Hastings to Southampton without changing at Brighton . In fact it is little surprise that some towns in Kent are the most deprived areas of the South East because in transport terms they are very isolated.

This could be addressed by public investment but the government prefers to piss away money on HS2 so that Brummies, Mancunians and Yorkshiremen can all commute to London to pump yet more public moula into its already bloated bubble economy

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The suggested HS3 route would be roughly along the M62 route from Liverpool to Hull, via Manchester and Leeds. Much better at least than the London-centric HS2 plans. Pie in the sky electioneering at the moment.

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Blinkin' obvious and much overdue.

"starting a conversation"

Just built it FFS.

He told the BBC better road and rail links would allow cities across northern England from Liverpool to Hull "to take on the world", as London did.

Hefty historical revisionism going on there.

North of England created the world. London just leeches off it.

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Blinkin' obvious and much overdue.

"starting a conversation"

Just built it FFS.

Hefty historical revisionism going on there.

North of England created the world. London just leeches off it.

Hmmm I wonder if they've finally realised the North is now crippled because of the leech and it needs new growth to hide the London Ponzi? Getting the North to grow would allow London to suck in even greater riches?

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Just seen Prescott on tv waving paper saying we proposed this in 2004. Yep and you did nothing.

Wasn't he too busy knocking down whole areas of perfectly renovatable terraced houses?

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Sooner or later someone will figure out HS2.5. Use the route of the old Grand Central Line which went London - Midlands - Sheffield - Manchester.

Large slices of the original route are still there, including the Woodhead Tunnel across the Pennines. Faster, cheaper and stuff Leeds.

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Wasn't he too busy knocking down whole areas of perfectly renovatable terraced houses?

Yes indeed the £2b flop that was Pathfinder, I'm sure his developer son had some connection.

The North East-West Corridor Super City idea has been around for a while. I don't really buy it. Of course, these cities should have better road and rail links. It seems to be an electoral titbit that has the added political bonus of saying let us build HS2 and we'll maybe give you a better West-east railway sometime in the future. Jam tomorrow.

Prescott, he of integrated transport branded a 2004 (?) 'super city' document they then did nothing about, but somehow managed to blame the Tories. He is a waste of fat.

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Its dumb. For London to Manchester a plane is quicker, for leeds to manchester the time difference between regular rail and HS is inconsequential.

Im not against trains as such, just obsolescence. I like the idea of eventually maglev trains in vacuum tunnels eventually providing a quicker and more energy efficient alternative to planes, certainly makes more sense than Bransons space planes. But HSR just seems a rather pointless half way house.

High speed rail makes sense in larger countries with population concentrated in large urban areas like Japan or France, but I just dont see the point in the UK. Just looks like a big scheme for governments to gift billions to their engineering company friends.

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Sounds a fair idea, promote Leeds Manchester axis as Britain's 2nd super city, excellent universities, innovation, business instincts and all

Just a much better semi fast train route with consistent 100mph running would be an improvement

Current trans Pennine route ambles through some admittedly gorgeous Pennine scenery, but the frequent curves prevent proper fast running

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