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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27911518

Unemployed young people could be denied out-of-work benefits unless they agree to training, Ed Miliband is to say.

In a speech, he will say those aged 18-21 should get a means-tested "youth allowance" rather than Jobseeker's Allowance, if they train in key skills.

The Labour leader will say his party wants to do more to get young people into work.

Conservative Party chairman Grant Shapps said Mr Miliband's welfare plans were a "recipe for more spending".

According to pre-released extracts of the speech, Mr Miliband will say: "We need big, far-reaching reform that can reshape our economy so that hard work is rewarded again."

Meanwhile older claimants get to watch Jeremy Kyle at leisure?

Once more the youth penalised at the expense of older people.

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What is the point of paying JSA to people who do not have the qualifications to get a job? The alternative of course is to go down the Farage route and keep all the jobs for the unemployable.

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Will they also be charging young people a lower rate of NI & income tax? <_<

The means testing bit is bizarre... the political class seems to be introducing a new "inbetween" status where you are neither a child nor an adult; you have the responsibilities of an adult, but your parents are expected to foot the bill for everything.

It's OK their parents BTL empire can foot the bill.

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Having given their jobs away to low-wage immigrants, Labour is now going to cut young people off to starve. Nice.

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It looks like I'm not going to have to worry about the empty nest syndrome for a long, long time....

Along with what to do with myself in retirement, as that's never going to happen at this rate.

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This is just yet another poor attempt from the political weirdo class to emulate real caring human beings who happen to head a "working persons party", the only problem is they don't live in the real world and all of the decisions they make clearly expose how far removed they are from that world outside the walls of the London property owning corporate and political elite slaver city enclave they reside in, however due to the total blanket of metropolitan elitism that covers them on a day to day basis, they just don't get it, they will never get it, they really don't care. This is just another "spend money we don't have to gain some votes" short term ism that we have come to expect from those that presume to rule.

Still they cant tax the sunshine eh? ;)

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....training starts at school......either the schools are not training or not giving the necessary training and skills that the outside world requires and will pay for.....what training are they thinking of giving?

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In the "olden days", schools would turn out someone with basic to decent literacy and numeracy. These kids were the raw materials that companies took on board and then shaped into productive workers via apprenticeships and "junior" or " trainee" positions.

In the corporate love-fest that is 21st century Britain, employers want the public to pay for all the training and for them to be able to pick up new staff and deploy them into a full time job with no further expenditure. In a twisted way this is logical, as many jobs won't last longer than 12-24 months anyway!

The problem is, even if schools / government took on the job of providing post-academic training, the requirements change so often the people they turned out would inevitably not have the exact mix of skills that employers are seeking in the (unknown) future and they would petition the government to bring in more immigrant labour that was already skilled and/or could be underpaid.

Can't disagree with that....if nothing else it will provide more training to train jobs.

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This is just yet another poor attempt from the political weirdo class to emulate real caring human beings who happen to head a "working persons party", the only problem is they don't live in the real world and all of the decisions they make clearly expose how far removed they are from that world outside the walls of the London property owning corporate and political elite slaver city enclave they reside in, however due to the total blanket of metropolitan elitism that covers them on a day to day basis, they just don't get it, they will never get it, they really don't care. This is just another "spend money we don't have to gain some votes" short term ism that we have come to expect from those that presume to rule.

Still they cant tax the sunshine eh? ;)

I'm sure that there's a Think Tank working on it.

Strange thing is, I bet that if stable, reasonably paid jobs existed for young people, the problem would go away. And as long as those jobs don't exist the problem will stay. Past a certain point more training might make things worse, because training can never quite match actually doing a job.

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In the "olden days", schools would turn out someone with basic to decent literacy and numeracy. These kids were the raw materials that companies took on board and then shaped into productive workers via apprenticeships and "junior" or " trainee" positions.

In the corporate love-fest that is 21st century Britain, employers want the public to pay for all the training and for them to be able to pick up new staff and deploy them into a full time job with no further expenditure. In a twisted way this is logical, as many jobs won't last longer than 12-24 months anyway!

The problem is, even if schools / government took on the job of providing post-academic training, the requirements change so often the people they turned out would inevitably not have the exact mix of skills that employers are seeking in the (unknown) future and they would petition the government to bring in more immigrant labour that was already skilled and/or could be underpaid.

I agree with what you're saying, but corporations don't actually expect the British taxpayer to train up young people to be completely job ready. The idea that this all comes down to more training for young people is just a smoke screen. Corporations do not care about training because they have an entire continent to recruit from for low-wage, low-skill jobs.

British young people are at a structural disadvantage versus immigrants. The skills they need can only be learned by holding a job (i.e. showing up on time, having the right attitude, following directions, etc.). They're very basic skills, but they're impossible to learn in a classroom. Young soon-to-be immigrants in Poland can learn these skills at home because lower wage rates in eastern Europe are equivalent to their lower productivity and they don't face a source of cheaper competition which is crowding them out of the job market. British youngsters cannot do this. They don't get entry level jobs, they never learn basic skills, and they're just piled onto the scrap heap of the forever under-employed.

The Labour Party have nailed their colours to the masthead. They're no longer the party of the working class. They're the immigrant party.

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This is just yet another poor attempt from the political weirdo class to emulate real caring human beings who happen to head a "working persons party", the only problem is they don't live in the real world and all of the decisions they make clearly expose how far removed they are from that world outside the walls of the London property owning corporate and political elite slaver city enclave they reside in, however due to the total blanket of metropolitan elitism that covers them on a day to day basis, they just don't get it, they will never get it, they really don't care. This is just another "spend money we don't have to gain some votes" short term ism that we have come to expect from those that presume to rule.

Still they cant tax the sunshine eh? ;)

This is a classic.

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I'm sure that there's a Think Tank working on it.

Strange thing is, I bet that if stable, reasonably paid jobs existed for young people, the problem would go away. And as long as those jobs don't exist the problem will stay. Past a certain point more training might make things worse, because training can never quite match actually doing a job.

The decision has already been made by them, rather than have a competitive, low living cost, techno-industrial modern economy where we make things to sell the rest of the world, the ruling idiots have opted for high costs of living, high housing costs and a welfare dependent "financial services" society to satisfy the small percentage of the metro elite who must have cheap waiting staff and lattes. Young people have to start fighting back or it will be Mc Jobs and standards of living that even the Victorian reformists would shudder to behold.

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If Milibrain implements this ... just watch the pregnancy rate amongst his target sector of 18-year-olds rocket! Then a few years on, that comes to reflect badly on the following government's "child poverty" figures.

And as for means-testing, that's obviously nothing more than an excuse to employ some more bureaucrats, where they can cost money without doing anything productive.

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Having given their jobs away to low-wage immigrants, Labour is now going to cut young people off to starve. Nice.

Yes I LOVE hypocritical scumbag left wing politicians and all the idiot morons that vote for them. Viva la revolution!

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I would have thought that for the (far too) many who leave school without a single A-C GCSE, some basic mandatory training at least in English and maths can only be a good thing.

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I would have thought that for the (far too) many who leave school without a single A-C GCSE, some basic mandatory training at least in English and maths can only be a good thing.

In an ideal world, yes, but if they couldn't learn anything in school up the age of 16 or 18, why are they suddenly going to learn something when they're 19 or 20? More training for people who have proved themselves to be untrainable is a non-solution. It's just a political gimmick for cutting the incomes of young people.

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There aren't enough jobs to go round at the bottom.

It's basically that simple.

We'd do better to try and lower the cost of living (rather than raising wages) and attract some manufacturing jobs back to the UK.

I don't doubt there are some that would benefit from training, and a very low percentage could find work, but they'll still need some state support as so much of said work will be zero hour (and even then, Tesco and all the other big retail outlets have actually been laying off staff in my area).

Train these kids to all do want exactly? Work for Amazon?

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There aren't enough jobs to go round at the bottom.

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Train these kids to all do want exactly? Work for Amazon?

Exactly. Why not be honest about the structural unemployment in the economy as it currently stands? Does anyone really buy into this "train them and the jobs will come" fairytale?

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I see the Milibot's stock is falling even lower with voters according to the Times today....probably won't link because the Times have blocks in place.

His error this month appears to have been seen to struggle with a bacon sandwich. Should have wised up after his older brother was castigated for holding a banana. It doesn't seem to take much to turn the public off the Milibots.

I guess there is concern that this guy might actually get to represent the face of the UK in the world.

the Mail's link (key note speeches like this will make no difference)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2661151/Gaffe-prone-Ed-Miliband-scores-lowest-poll-rating-worse-Nick-Clegg.html

Edited by crashmonitor

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In an ideal world, yes, but if they couldn't learn anything in school up the age of 16 or 18, why are they suddenly going to learn something when they're 19 or 20? More training for people who have proved themselves to be untrainable is a non-solution. It's just a political gimmick for cutting the incomes of young people.

Yes, too many schools are rubbish, but there is also the fact of kids not trying, not bothering or turning up, and parents who don't give a toss. Would it be such a bad thing if both kids and parents were given to understand that there is no automatic full dole without their putting a bit of effort in?

It has been shown time and again that certain poor ethnic groups do worse than other, equally poor ethnic groups. It is not just financial poverty, but poverty of aspiration that affects these kids' chances.

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This is just yet another poor attempt from the political weirdo class to emulate real caring human beings who happen to head a "working persons party", the only problem is they don't live in the real world and all of the decisions they make clearly expose how far removed they are from that world outside the walls of the London property owning corporate and political elite slaver city enclave they reside in, however due to the total blanket of metropolitan elitism that covers them on a day to day basis, they just don't get it, they will never get it, they really don't care. This is just another "spend money we don't have to gain some votes" short term ism that we have come to expect from those that presume to rule.

Still they cant tax the sunshine eh? ;)

Don't think that they can't - the Spanish are giving it a go:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24272061

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Young unemployed people who refuse to take training courses to gain key skills could lose benefits under a Labour government, Ed Miliband says.

This isn't a new idea - the LibLabCon have been tinkering with it and regularly announcing it as a fresh idea for decades and decades.

Then whichever wing of the LibLabCon gets in they might introduce their own watered down version of the idea to be tinkered with and changed when the next LibLabCon wing gets in.

They never do get to grips to actually solve the problem.

In the meantime they get publicity for being tough on benefits (and at the same time divert attention away from the bankers on their massive and perpetual bailout benefits and away from the MPs troughing).

In fact the BBC article is full of similar examples of proposals that the LibLabCon have been regularly announcing for decades and then tinkering with but never solving.

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Yes, too many schools are rubbish, but there is also the fact of kids not trying, not bothering or turning up, and parents who don't give a toss. Would it be such a bad thing if both kids and parents were given to understand that there is no automatic full dole without their putting a bit of effort in?

It has been shown time and again that certain poor ethnic groups do worse than other, equally poor ethnic groups. It is not just financial poverty, but poverty of aspiration that affects these kids' chances.

I don't mean to be argumentative, but the UK is at the point of making some seriously fundamental changes to society, so let's not kid ourselves that a little bit of training is going to fix things. These people will never have decent jobs, ever. Any jobs will be taken by better prepared, lower wage labour from Eastern Europe. Without benefits, the english white working class will be on the street. Go visit America to see what this means -- homeless people living under bridges, the end of any type of pleasant public space without a heavy police presence, the end of a common sense of society.

If you're going to make decisions about such important issues, have the debate publicly without any delusions.

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