SarahBell Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 First Choice Homes Oldham have 12000 homes. How many staff do you think they have?Have a guess before going and reading! http://www.oldham.gov.uk/info/200891/investment_and_regeneration/1322/first_choice_homes_oldham_hq Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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crashmonitor Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Life is all about creating unnecessary jobs so that somebody can travel about with their laptop and look important. What's the point of University unless there is the reward of some desk job at a charity or housing association at the end of it. Think of all those team building exercises and other ways the staff can think up to fill their hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Of Highbridge Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 (edited) 264 is my guess. Guess based on a busy BTL landlord looking after 50 properties + 10% overhead for the inefficiencies of a large organization. (12000/50)*1.1=264 Edited June 5, 2014 by Wurzel Of Highbridge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reck B Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 (edited) I'm guessing 200. CHRIST ! I over-egged my guess as I expected a (public) sector like Housing Associations to be extremely inefficient, but wow! 1 staff per 27 houses is mind-blowingly bad. Edited June 5, 2014 by Reck B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashmonitor Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Where there is poverty or social provision there is always going to be an opportunity to create middle class jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interestrateripoff Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Out of interest does the housing association provide care services as well? This could skew the figures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okaycuckoo Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 What's the standard? I have no idea whether 1:27 is good or bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybong Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 (edited) Then they've got to find work for them all. Better install some new stuff, bathrooms, kitchens etc everywhere and give some refurb/maintenance work to the building cronies. Spin offs for solicitors and accountants etc then some debt for the banks etc. Better install a new computer system with a terminal for all. Some will be necessary of course. It's just free money taxpayers' money. Edited June 5, 2014 by billybong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamnumerate Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Do they do all maintenance in house? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahBell Posted June 5, 2014 Author Share Posted June 5, 2014 Do they do all maintenance in house? Their gas check vans are co-branded other companies I think. But general maintenance appears to be fully branded them. The article doesn't say how much of the 149M investment is being spent on taking 'customers' away from the current locations of offices. "As well as being a beautiful space the glass atrium allows maximum daylight and helps ventilation and on top of the building is a green roof which encourages biodiversity. The building will be highly engineered to be incredibly energy-efficient and cheap to run." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 1 staff per 27 houses is mind-blowingly bad. Perhaps they need to ask this pair how it's done: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 (edited) Ooooh! They've got a webcam where you can see the progress of the new offices. Here's what it looks like right now: Ah, glorious Oldham! (Although to be fair it's not much better here.) Edited June 5, 2014 by Scunnered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vested Disinterest Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I guessed 120 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Apple Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Does that include staff to do the maintenance? If it doesn't its pretty high! I expect the 1 BTLer looking after 50 properties will get external painters/decorators/plumbers/sparks/gardeners/deep cleaners/carpet fitters etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@contradevian Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 (edited) My ALMO employs 400 staff, and manages 23,000 Council properties and 800 leaseholder properties. If that is useful for comparison. Management costs per tenant are £39.22 per week, which is apparently quite low compared to other ALMO's/HA's averaging £56.38 I think one of the cripplers is repairs on what is legacy, cheaply built properties. Hardly seems to be a day goes by when a repair van isn't outside. Thats how BTL do it. No repairs! Also a BTL's letting agents will do a lot of the administration. Edited June 5, 2014 by aSecureTenant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corruption Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 So 1 person looks after 24 properties, lets say the average wage, pension and NI contribution and office space come to 45K per person .... thats around 2K per annum to pay for bureaucracy. Only in Britain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 HA are big jobs for the boys and girls at the top now - VERY big salaries. Well into six figures is common for senior managers in HAs. Here is a link to the salaries of chief execs of numerous UK HAs in 2012/13. http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/journals/2013/09/19/d/e/w/CEO_survey_main_table.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stop The Ride Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 In the efficient private sector there are 562,000 estate agents (does that include letting agents?) to just manage the sales of the 23,000,000 private sector properties. How do we reckon that compares to this HA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gf3 Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 HA are big jobs for the boys and girls at the top now - VERY big salaries. Well into six figures is common for senior managers in HAs. Here is a link to the salaries of chief execs of numerous UK HAs in 2012/13. http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/journals/2013/09/19/d/e/w/CEO_survey_main_table.pdf Makes me feel like the Wilson deserve all the money they got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Makes me feel like the Wilson deserve all the money they got. Well said Mr. Wilson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bambam Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 On a related topic, does anyone know what the average annual spend on maintenance is? I bet it's many times what shamateur landlords spend (which is approximately f. all IME) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Oldham's solid Labour isn't it? Not all HAs will be so inefficient, HAs are not in themselves a bad idea. Jobs for the boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamnumerate Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 My ALMO employs 400 staff, and manages 23,000 Council properties and 800 leaseholder properties. If that is useful for comparison. Management costs per tenant are £39.22 per week, which is apparently quite low compared to other ALMO's/HA's averaging £56.38 I think one of the cripplers is repairs on what is legacy, cheaply built properties. Hardly seems to be a day goes by when a repair van isn't outside. Thats how BTL do it. No repairs! Also a BTL's letting agents will do a lot of the administration. My house was built in the 1890's and that sounds high to me, particularly as they might have economies of scale for some things like insurance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okaycuckoo Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 There must be a high percentage of HA tenancies in default - that takes a lot of effort: missed appointments, constant phone calls, letters, notices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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