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She is basically saying that you should have kids when young and be care-free at 45.

Of course, that only works if you get a free house when aged 20. Otherwise, you would be lucky to get a deposit by age 45 if paying your own way.

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I intended to start this post with some sympathy for losing her mother, but any sympathy I had evaporated rather quickly as I read through the article. I can't work out whether she's a truly ghastly person, totally batshit mental, or both.

Probably both.

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I intended to start this post with some sympathy for losing her mother, but any sympathy I had evaporated rather quickly as I read through the article. I can't work out whether she's a truly ghastly person, totally batshit mental, or both.

Probably both.

Heavily insulated from financial reality.

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There's a good chance Kirsty is reading this thread.

Her past MO was to scour HPC until she found something unpleasant that was allegedly said about her, tar everybody here with the same brush, and then use it as a shitty stick to wave around and avoid any factual, serious debate on Twitter etc.

Don't think we're not wise to it, Kirsty love :rolleyes:

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I like your avatar Fully Detached. In Krusties case, the bear trap would be replaced by the keys to a London flat.

Thanks - it's from the Green Day American Idiot cover.

In Krustie's case, it would be the keys to a London flat, only achievable by taking out a massive mortgage and not getting married, while Krusty herself gets married as a tax dodge.

Tax is only for little people apparently.

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Repulsive woman.

A bit harsh perhaps.

But yes, massively opinionated and insulated from economic & social reality, as already mentioned (though she would vehemently deny it, of course) - admittedly a highly irritating combination. Best avoided to keep blood pressure under control!

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With these comments she demonstrates her complete isolation from the real world.

To most teenage girls her message is screw getting a career just follow your urges and procreate they'll worry about food water and shelter later.

I notice that with everyone in the MSM talking of the housing bubble she insists on calling it a crisis of supply and never price.

God she really is as thick as s**t.

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If you were to condense everything that's false and wrong about the UK into the identity of a single individual then that person would Kirstie Allsopp.

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Ermm.. and the reason women can't afford to settle down and have a family at an early age, I wonder what that could be? High house prices perchance? And who is the property porn bubble stoking figurehead? What. The. Hell.

And self build is ridiculous and everyone should live above a shop. Right. Again, What. The. Hell ?

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She may be an oddball - but some of that article I have to agree with.

1. Have children young. That's what we did (well, relatively young by today's standards). Particularly for Mrs JTB this has been a winner. Rather than the arrival of sprogs wrecking a career, she postponed the start of her career. There's also the simple biology that bodies and fertility are designed for all that sort of thing happening in late teens/early 20s. Final advantage is that we sort of "get our lives back" as of now - in contrast to my pal who's become a father within the past couple of years.

2. Don't go to university for an experience. Spot on. I'm advising my kids not to go unless they have a clear career need for a certain qualification (med or vet, for example). If they want an "experience", take a long holiday. If they want learning for the sake of learning, do it online for free. If they want to explore life options then do some work and/or volunteer for things. If they want to start work then seriously consider an apprenticeship - basically, seriously question any job that states "you need to be £50k in debt to start here".

3. Build flats above shops. Sensible maximisation of utilisation of space and reduction of need to travel.

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She may be an oddball - but some of that article I have to agree with.

2. Don't go to university for an experience. Spot on. I'm advising my kids not to go unless they have a clear career need for a certain qualification (med or vet, for example). If they want an "experience", take a long holiday. If they want learning for the sake of learning, do it online for free. If they want to explore life options then do some work and/or volunteer for things. If they want to start work then seriously consider an apprenticeship - basically, seriously question any job that states "you need to be £50k in debt to start here".

Got to say that this rite of passage thing has got out of hand and it comes with a hefty price tag to boot. Her politics are well to the right, she may have a Blairite fascination with gaming property, but in other ways she probably is in tune with the views of this forum. She certainly hates squandering money, for example.

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She may be an oddball - but some of that article I have to agree with.

1. Have children young. That's what we did

2. Don't go to university for an experience. Spot on.

3. Build flats above shops. Sensible maximisation of utilisation of space and reduction of need to travel.

1, Not ideal when stuck in rented. You've no control over when you might be evicted. What about schooling and the other disruption that would cause a child?

2, Who goes for the experience these days? You go with the hope of being employed when you leave, its no right of passage, its a necessary step to be employed.

3, Would you live above a shop with a family?

The choices you made are simply not available any more.

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Got to say that this rite of passage thing has got out of hand and it comes with a hefty price tag to boot. Her politics are well to the right, she may have a Blairite fascination with gaming property, but in other ways she probably is in tune with the views of this forum. She certainly hates squandering money, for example.

Unless it's offering full asking price on an overpriced house of course, in which case that's just hunky-dory for her and her property developer husband.

I'm fully in agreement that university should not be the default option for everybody. But her position appears to be that you can either go to university or buy property. And surprise surprise her recommendation is bugger the education and instead go balls deep in debt for property instead. Which benefits her and her property developer husband, oddly enough.

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Unless it's offering full asking price on an overpriced house of course, in which case that's just hunky-dory for her and her property developer husband.

I'm fully in agreement that university should not be the default option for everybody. But her position appears to be that you can either go to university or buy property. And surprise surprise her recommendation is bugger the education and instead go balls deep in debt for property instead. Which benefits her and her property developer husband, oddly enough.

Penny wise, pound foolish.

"you can either go to university or buy property"

You can't buy property without earning an amount that usually requires going to university. Because of the bubble. The one she stoked.

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Penny wise, pound foolish.

"you can either go to university or buy property"

You can't buy property without earning an amount that usually requires going to university. Because of the bubble. The one she stoked.

Quite.

I should correct my post above - of course Kirstie is not married herself, and believes that other people should buy property instead of getting married. Which also happens to benefit her and her property developer live-in-lover.

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She is basically saying that you should have kids when young and be care-free at 45.

If you have children you will never be care-free, you worry about them when you wake up till you go to sleep, then you dream about worrying about them.

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She may be an oddball - but some of that article I have to agree with.

Without her, people would be racing out for the student/uni debt - and they do. We make our own decisions.

So much pure wisdom, year after year, decades on. She's also over 2 pages in Sunday Times, (01 June) Homes. Book being plugged at the end of the piece...

[How to Buy a House by......... £14.99]

Kirstie's mini manifesto to solve the housing crisis

Go to every supermarket, every out-of-town retail park in the country and say: 'We're going to give you a massive tax reduction if you partner with a developer to build some nice flats on top of your shops."

Make the process of buying and selling more transparent. Nobody should be allowed to market their homes until they sign a checklist, which includes informing their mortgage company that they are selling and have instructed a solicitor. Buyers should have a registration number to prove that they have gone through the affordability checks.

But, most importantly, sort out stamp duty. It's very simple.. (blah blah)

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