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What is going on in Tower Hamlets? Three days after the counting began, the borough has yet to return a complete set of results from Thursday’s elections. Counting for the Bromley South ward has been stopped for a second time today, resuming in the morning. Tower Hamlets Council explained in a statement ‘the result is looking very close in this ward and accuracy is of paramount concern’. Few would probably have noticed, were it not for Tower Hamlets holding up the rest of London announcing its results for the European elections.

While the rest of the country reported its results hours before, Tower Hamlets was delayed due to a new ‘local protocol’ introduced to address the Electoral Commission’s fraud concerns. A council spokesman said this evening:

‘This protocol produced the most stringent set of electoral measures in the capital, if not the country, to ensure that elections could be held in a transparent and fair manner. However this need for transparency has lengthened the time taken to count the vote and our view is that accuracy is more important than speed’

Is the explanation that simple? Not according to Peter Golds, a Conservative councillor in Tower Hamlets, who in a statement posted online, alleges there was odd behaviour during the count:

‘I was, for obvious reasons, at both omnishambles. We were asked to attend the Mile End Leisure centre at 2pm, Sunday for the council counts with the European count commencing at 4pm. We were let in at 3pm and then the chaos started.
‘Any checks on people attending soon collapsed, particularly when the Supreme Ruler, Mayor Lutfur, was instructing his fan club from across London to walk in and enjoy the panto.
‘However, ex Councillor Kabir Ahmed (Tower Hamlets First, Weavers ward) was barred from entering the count as he had revealed details of the first figures on his Facebook page. Presumably he stayed at home in Gants Hill, Redbridge.
‘There were arguments, threats, and chaos at the counting tables. Tower Hamlets First supporters were challenging vote after vote, forcing supporters of other candidates away from the tables. They often made their points ( excuse the pun) with pencils and pens, against ballot papers. The supreme ruler smiled, whilst checking town hall staff were not stopping his supporters from doing exactly what they wanted.
‘Former Cllr Mohammed Shahid Ali (defeated Mile End) was bawling in Bangla down a mobile phone at a counting table. He was asked by a (female) officer to stop and he shouted that she ( emphasise she) had no right to tell him to stop doing anything and that she (emphasise she) should go away. I drew this to the attention of the returning officer and Shahid Ali then needed to be restrained from attacking me.
‘Tower Hamlets has interesting rules on the media at counts. Mainstream journalists can only be on the counting floor if they are escorted by a member of the town hall staff at all times.
‘The special media, that supports the supreme ruler, is excluded from this, so , far example everywhere I went I was stalked by a weird old trot who kept taking flash photographs of me in my face and then grinning. He declined to say what organ he reported for.
‘He was not afraid of expressing his views as he shouted the short version of “see you next Tuesday”, during one of the declarations.
‘Despite everything we had been told, the count was a shocker. There was a 21% discrepancy in the votes in Island Gardens between the first two counts.
‘Issues regarding our count process that I raised as far back as 2009 were ignored and there was no change at all; despite the fine words of the electoral commission.
‘I will be writing to them on Tuesday, with more details and will make my letter public.’

I asked whether the council had any comment on this statement, but did not receive anything back. Councillor Golds may be disgruntled due to the reelection of Lutfur Rahman, the controversial directly-elected Mayor of Tower Hamlets. Golds is a long time critic of the mayor and although Labour gave Rahman a run for his money, he was reelected on second preference votes. At present, it appears no party will have overall control of the council — Rahman’s Tower Hamlets First party has 18 seats, as do Labour while the Tories have four.

The counting situation adds to the impression I received when visiting the area last month — the politics of Tower Hamlets are simply rather bizarre. The Electoral Commission warned ahead of these elections there was a ‘high risk’ of electoral fraud and placed police officers at every one of the borough’s 125 polling stations. With the continued delay, those who believe Tower Hamlets is a rotten borough may have their fears confirmed.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/sebastian-payne/2014/05/tower-hamlets-londons-rotten-borough/

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I cant say im particularly won over by postal votes for this very reason. I'm sure in patriarchal muslim households the male head decides all the votes and the women are disenfranchised.

Still, thanks again labour.

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Anyone would think we were a third world country. No. I can't say that. It's an insult to India & they don't seem to have these problems there.

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Rejected ballot papers Description Number being unmarked or wholly void for uncertainty 2871 voting for more Candidates than voter was entitled to 453 writing or mark by which voter could be identified 3 Total rejected 3327

http://moderngov.towerhamlets.gov.uk/mgElectionAreaResults.aspx?ID=99&RPID=4743946

Voting Summary Details Number Seats 1 Total votes 80211 Electorate 164242 Num. ballot papers issued 83403 Number of ballot papers rejected 3327 Turnout

50.78%

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Rejected ballot papers Description Number being unmarked or wholly void for uncertainty 2871 voting for more Candidates than voter was entitled to 453 writing or mark by which voter could be identified 3 Total rejected 3327

http://moderngov.towerhamlets.gov.uk/mgElectionAreaResults.aspx?ID=99&RPID=4743946

Voting Summary Details Number Seats 1 Total votes 80211 Electorate 164242 Num. ballot papers issued 83403 Number of ballot papers rejected 3327 Turnout

50.78%

So 83,403 ballots issued - 3,327 rejected = 80,211 votes :blink: Am I misunderstanding? Did they have 3,192 ballot papers left after everyone had voted?

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The big problem as I see it is the turnout - inner city areas normally have lower turnouts than anywhere else.

This was 15% higher than anywhere else.

Vote rigging.

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So 83,403 ballots issued - 3,327 rejected = 80,211 votes :blink: Am I misunderstanding? Did they have 3,192 ballot papers left after everyone had voted?

They counted 80,211 and 3,237 were not counted.

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Anyone would think we were a third world country. No. I can't say that. It's an insult to India & they don't seem to have these problems there.

That's because this problem is imported directly from Pakistan, not India.

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The Spectator is one of the few middle-of-the road, i.e. Non-Marxist, publications we have. Interestingly they have identified the Commonwealth as one of our major problems:

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/03/nigel-farage-keep-on-about-eu-migration-but-non-eu-migration-is-the-greater-problem/

They still daren't mention the M-word. Its not the 'commonwealth' as such.

Its quite stunning, whether its in educational attainment, employment, disability claims, children per woman, asians of a non-muslim background are similar or better than the native white in all categories. The same goes for black afro-carribeans (ie black christians).

Yet black africans (ie mostly muslims) and muslim asians perform worse than the native whites.

Just shows ideology/culture is far more important than race...you'd think this indicator, one of nurture not nature, one that both blacks and asians who arent subjected to islam do just fine, would be seized upon by the left as well as the right, given it can be educated out, but it seems not.

Truth is there are now too many muslim votes for us to confront our problems. As someone posted in another thread, this bruhaha over islamic quacknuttery in schools is nothing new, it was going on in the late 70s/early 80s, and the state took the side of the nutbags, and it will still be with us in another quarter century or so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Honeyford

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Andrew Gilligan has been reporting on Tower Hamlets for years, the latest installment: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/andrewgilligan/100273741/lutfur-rahman-adviser-there-will-be-street-violence-unless-people-stop-complaining-about-tower-hamlets-election/

Some quite scary stuff:

We saw Lutfur Rahman’s ability to mobilise a crowd at the count on Friday, when a huge group of 2,000 Rahman supporters gathered outside the count centre, effectively barricading Rahman’s opponents inside.

As the count dragged endlessly on late into the night, Labour’s London campaign director, Sadiq Khan MP, and many others were told by police that they could not leave the building. The returning officer pleaded with those inside not to pass count details to the crowd for fear of them invading the premises.

We saw Rahman’s ability to mobilise a crowd at the polling stations on Thursday, when despite the promises of police many stations were picketed by groups of Rahman supporters, through whom voters had to push to reach the ballot box. There are disturbing stories of these crowds following some voters right into the ballot booth to insist that they marked their vote in the correct box.

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They still daren't mention the M-word. Its not the 'commonwealth' as such.

Its quite stunning, whether its in educational attainment, employment, disability claims, children per woman, asians of a non-muslim background are similar or better than the native white in all categories. The same goes for black afro-carribeans (ie black christians).

Yet black africans (ie mostly muslims) and muslim asians perform worse than the native whites.

Just shows ideology/culture is far more important than race...you'd think this indicator, one of nurture not nature, one that both blacks and asians who arent subjected to islam do just fine, would be seized upon by the left as well as the right, given it can be educated out, but it seems not.

Truth is there are now too many muslim votes for us to confront our problems. As someone posted in another thread, this bruhaha over islamic quacknuttery in schools is nothing new, it was going on in the late 70s/early 80s, and the state took the side of the nutbags, and it will still be with us in another quarter century or so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Honeyford

It's interesting you should say this. I heard Richard Dawkins speak recently and he was far more concenrned about creationism in Muslim schools and areas than he was about Christian young-earth creationism, even in America.

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Andrew Gilligan has been reporting on Tower Hamlets for years, the latest installment: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/andrewgilligan/100273741/lutfur-rahman-adviser-there-will-be-street-violence-unless-people-stop-complaining-about-tower-hamlets-election/

Some quite scary stuff:

We saw Lutfur Rahman’s ability to mobilise a crowd at the count on Friday, when a huge group of 2,000 Rahman supporters gathered outside the count centre, effectively barricading Rahman’s opponents inside.

As the count dragged endlessly on late into the night, Labour’s London campaign director, Sadiq Khan MP, and many others were told by police that they could not leave the building. The returning officer pleaded with those inside not to pass count details to the crowd for fear of them invading the premises.

We saw Rahman’s ability to mobilise a crowd at the polling stations on Thursday, when despite the promises of police many stations were picketed by groups of Rahman supporters, through whom voters had to push to reach the ballot box. There are disturbing stories of these crowds following some voters right into the ballot booth to insist that they marked their vote in the correct box.

Thanks for posting that link. I only quite recently became aware of the Tower hamlets situation, and that was because of a previous article by Gilligan.

I am sure that if UKIP people had been involved in one per cent of the things attributed to Team Rahman, there would have been a media storm.

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http://www.oldham.gov.uk/info/200038/elections/1364/election_results_may_2014

Interestingly Oldham doesn't show % turnout.

Should they?

Well, that link only takes you to the council elections result. So I clicked on the link which took me to the Northwest results site and then on to 'your area' which brought me back to the council results site.

So that is all pretty odd and certainly frustrating. So if I were that bothered I would contact them.

The LDs used to run Oldham council - now they are down to 10 seats against Labour's 45.

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http://www.oldham.gov.uk/info/200038/elections/1364/election_results_may_2014

Interestingly Oldham doesn't show % turnout.

Should they?

:lol:

Looking at the results there it shouldnt be cameron saying 'dont vote UKIP, you'll allow labour in by denying the tories a majority' it should be farage saying 'dont vote tory, you'll allow labour in by denying UKIP a majority'

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2 years on from the last posting on this thread it look like Rahman is about to be struck off as practising solicitor....

http://order-order.com/2016/02/24/ta-rahman-crooked-lutfur-set-to-be-struck-off-as-solicitor/

10 of 10 for the copywriter who came up with the Headline Ta Rahman.......

Just to think if he had been jailed over the election and mortgage fraud the Home Office could have revoked his UK passport and citizenship (if he had it) and deported him back to Bangladesh.

Now that really would have sent a message.....

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Thanks for posting that link. I only quite recently became aware of the Tower hamlets situation, and that was because of a previous article by Gilligan.

I am sure that if UKIP people had been involved in one per cent of the things attributed to Team Rahman, there would have been a media storm.

Tommy Robinson has been shouting from the rooftops about the corruption in the Tower Hamlets ward for years....it done him no good though

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Tommy Robinson has been shouting from the rooftops about the corruption in the Tower Hamlets ward for years....it done him no good though

Particulary as Robinson got two years (I think) for Mortgage fraud and Rahman hasn't even been charged as yet.

Despite a judge accusing him of this and cheating the taxman over his BTL income........

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/12128815/Lutfur-Rahman-Judge-accuses-disgraced-former-mayor-of-mortgage-fraud-and-tax-evasion.html

One to follow with interest....

Edit...

18 Months nick actually..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25862838

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Particulary as Robinson got two years (I think) for Mortgage fraud and Rahman hasn't even been charged as yet.

Despite a judge accusing him of this and cheating the taxman over his BTL income........

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/12128815/Lutfur-Rahman-Judge-accuses-disgraced-former-mayor-of-mortgage-fraud-and-tax-evasion.html

One to follow with interest....

Edit...

18 Months nick actually..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25862838

The conviction for mortgage fraud was a little iffy as well, ( i`m not saying he was totally inocent ) but he was told by the Poliec/CPS if he contested the case his

real name and address, and the address of family members would be publicised and members of his family would be summoned to court

Basically he had little choice other than to plead guilty when his brief (when he found one that would represent him ) reckoned he had a very good chance of being acquitted

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The conviction for mortgage fraud was a little iffy as well, ( i`m not saying he was totally inocent ) but he was told by the Poliec/CPS if he contested the case his

real name and address, and the address of family members would be publicised and members of his family would be summoned to court

Basically he had little choice other than to plead guilty when his brief (when he found one that would represent him ) reckoned he had a very good chance of being acquitted

Sounds like the Old Bill are in league with the anti fascist groups. I know they were after Robinson for ages (his real name is out there somewhere) and wanted to get him for anything. I don't doubt this for a moment.

It now becoming increasingly apparent that there were dozens (maybe hundreds) of bent police in South Yorks in league with kiddie fiddlers, drug pushers and rapists.

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Sounds like the Old Bill are in league with the anti fascist groups. I know they were after Robinson for ages (his real name is out there somewhere) and wanted to get him for anything. I don't doubt this for a moment.

It now becoming increasingly apparent that there were dozens (maybe hundreds) of bent police in South Yorks in league with kiddie fiddlers, drug pushers and rapists.

It went far higher than the coppers orders were coming from higher up the food chain, his book "enemy of the state" is an eye opener http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tommy-Robinson-Enemy-State-ebook/dp/B0196VK3L4/ref=sr_1_1/277-0236815-3154075?ie=UTF8&qid=1456412642&sr=8-1&keywords=tommy+robinson+book it`s easy to see why it goes on it`s simply the fear of being labeled like Tommy Robinson was

His real name is out there now but at the time it was not commonly known and his address even less so

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