richc Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 I agree with you that free markets and free movement of peoples clearly doesn't work with national benefits and pay systems. However, I would rather see a universal basic income implemented right across the Europe. If you were Rumanian, would you bother buying a bus ticket? A universal basic income across Europe might be logical with the current structure of the EU, but who do you think is going to pay for that? Free movement of labour (i.e. the US situation) only really makes sense in a federal system where there are fiscal transfers from the rich areas to the poor areas (i.e. the US situation). The UK, with the highest wages of any of the big EU members, will be the source of funds to pay for those fiscal transfers, most of which will end up in the pockets of the wealthy and well-connected in the low wage areas of the EU. Germany might have a bigger economy than the UK, but average wages in Germany are significantly lower. For the average person in the UK, the European Union is nothing but a lose-lose situation. Look at the poverty rates in New York and California to see your future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 BBC News are at a car boot sale, asking people if the voted UKIP and why. A car boot sale? Yes really! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Sadman Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 You mean reinforcing the suspicion that the 45% turnout was the result of a huge ballot rigging exercise run by the mayor and his cronies but which nobody dare investigate because it will look racist? Yes, that. Although I do find it funny labour changed the demographics of these places (bradford west also) to shore up their vote and then a third party candidate comes along and scuppers their plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezer466 Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 BBC News are at a car boot sale, asking people if the voted UKIP and why. A car boot sale? Yes really! Its too early for the Opera...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 People deeply disillusioned with EU, says PM That was the strap line on the BBC News ticker a few minutes ago. Surely "People deeply disillusioned with government" would be more accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHERWICK Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 The man is a disgrace to the UK as a whole, and Scotland in particular! https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=afKUUVQTYfY So a perfect politician then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuG III Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 They later said that the turn out at the last Euro election was also 34%. There is a glorious piece of bbcese on their website EU supporters will be pleased that election turnout was slightly higher. It was 43.1%, according to provisional European Parliament figures. That would be the first time turnout had not fallen since the previous election Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheBlueCat Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 BBC News are at a car boot sale, asking people if the voted UKIP and why. A car boot sale? Yes really! If you're the sort of person that works for the BBC that is probably the only place you can think of where there might be some working class people who aren't foreign for you to interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Sadman Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 It's not the fact that UKIP won a seat in Scotland (that's democracy for ya!), but that Coburn is shoe-horned (and I mean shoe-horned!) into it. The man is a disgrace to the UK as a whole, and Scotland in particular! https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=afKUUVQTYfY He seems pretty average MP/MEP/MSP material? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 If you're the sort of person that works for the BBC that is probably the only place you can think of where there might be some working class people who aren't foreign for you to interview. But why would they need to find 'working class' people? To fit their stereotype? Surely a cross section of society would be more representative. I'd have gone for Waterloo station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 If you're the sort of person that works for the BBC that is probably the only place you can think of where there might be some working class people who aren't foreign for you to interview. This is a good example of the BBC's MO. Mock the Brummie. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27543012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Boy Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 The interview was one of two in Walsall Town market. The first person they interviewed was a young woman going on about immigration. In the background was around thirty Asian men in those funny hats, long white gowns and waistcoats. No white face could be seen. It was brilliant. Wonder why the BBC never used it again ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richc Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 They're so transparent. This morning, the top story on the website was about UKIP, but they had picture of Nick Griffin under bold text with a statement from Nigel Farage. The BBC aren't even trying to hide their bias any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossybabe Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 1975 Sorry. Most things nowadays are longer ago than I think! This must be the exception, or it's Alzheimer's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashmonitor Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Slightly OT. In the Telegraph today Nigel Farage's wife states she is rather worried about his health. He really is a chain smoking, beer drinking fanatic who lives off adrenalin and skips meals. Now I have always been a bit puzzled about Farage's appearance, despite his enviable head of hair and the fact he is not particularly over weight he looks about 70 to me, he's actually my age 50. Something in the puffiness of the eyes and the extra chins doesn't quite sit right for 50. I suppose he does have a very commanding presence which suggests age beyond his years though. My dad guessed his age at 45! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashmonitor Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10857136/Nigel-Farage-drinks-and-smokes-too-much-says-his-wife-Kirsten.html The link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Sadman Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Slightly OT. In the Telegraph today Nigel Farage's wife states she is rather worried about his health. He really is a chain smoking, beer drinking fanatic who lives off adrenalin and skips meals. Now I have always been a bit puzzled about Farage's appearance, despite his enviable head of hair and the fact he is not particularly over weight he looks about 70 to me, he's actually my age 50. Something in the puffiness of the eyes and the extra chins doesn't quite sit right for 50. I suppose he does have a very commanding presence which suggests age beyond his years though. My dad guessed his age at 45! Well he's never had a chiselled jaw, even in his early 30s. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27056004 70s is a bit cruel. Late 50s is nearer the mark IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashmonitor Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Well he's never had a chiselled jaw, even in his early 30s. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27056004 70s is a bit cruel. Late 50s is nearer the mark IMO. I think it goes beyond his looks, he really seems like the Daddy with his commanding presence. However, the fags and workaholic drive have definitely taken it out on his puffy eyes and lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dances with sheeple Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 I think it goes beyond his looks, he really seems like the Daddy with his commanding presence. However, the fags and workaholic drive have definitely taken it out on his puffy eyes and lines. I wouldn`t describe him as "Commanding", just very assertive. Brian Blessed is Commanding. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord D'arcy Pew Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 UKIP 'not the answer' to 21st Century issues says Blair. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27585260 love all the foreigners when they're over here, then kill them on mass in the Middle East. Standing up for workers rights, unless they are working overseas in a sweatshop. Blairs morality only ever went as far as our borders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Sadman Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 love all the foreigners when they're over here, then kill them on mass in the Middle East. Standing up for workers rights, unless they are working overseas in a sweatshop. Blairs morality only ever went as far as our borders. He doesnt sound like he's got a permanently blocked nose when he talks though, unlike miliband. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashmonitor Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 He doesnt sound like he's got a permanently blocked nose when he talks though, unlike miliband. Miliband looks like a Tory inspired plant. 25% of the popular vote against a difficult economic inheritance for the Tories says it all about Miliband. Amazing that insiders who elected him couldn't see what everbody outside the party faithful could see as plain as daylight. Or perhaps they could and it was just bloody minded self indulgence and f**k the voters. ''He sounds weird, looks weird, is weird'' and makes Labour unelectable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Miliband looks like a Tory inspired plant. 25% of the popular vote against a difficult economic inheritance for the Tories says it all about Miliband. Amazing that insiders who elected him couldn't see what everbody outside the party faithful could see as plain as daylight. Or perhaps they could and it was just bloody minded self indulgence and f**k the voters. To be fair the Labour Party didn't elect him; the unions did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkman Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 This is a good example of the BBC's MO. Mock the Brummie. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27543012 The BBC are banging nails in their own coffin IMO. Times are changing, and the population isn't quite as dim as the establishment obviously believes. Poorly executed propaganda tends to have a blowback effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkman Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Miliband looks like a Tory inspired plant. 25% of the popular vote against a difficult economic inheritance for the Tories says it all about Miliband. Amazing that insiders who elected him couldn't see what everbody outside the party faithful could see as plain as daylight. Or perhaps they could and it was just bloody minded self indulgence and f**k the voters. ''He sounds weird, looks weird, is weird'' and makes Labour unelectable. Wasn't it union backing that got him through? The unions simply chose the candidate most likely to assist them, and who can blame them. But unfortunately it made the party un-electable. No one wants a duck as PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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