Just Heard On The Radio...mr Osborne Will Listen To The Electorate

[winkie]

Why are they always saying....."Listen"...."Look"......and the worse one of them all "let me make it clear" at the start of almost every statement......they want us to listen/understand, don't they realise it works both ways.....

Edited May 25, 2014 by winkie

[alexw]

That's a nice story. But it's not true.

Can you come up with a better example of "the common man" than ... an immigrant?

Is it? From polling UKIP supporters are mostly from the lower earning strata of society, both left and right. These are the groups that would have been worst hit by the wage suppression that has resulted from large scale immigration. They will also be one of the most affected by the preferential hiring of immigrants over UK born citizens, given that they will be directly competing against these immigrants for jobs.

The importation of cheap labour has been extremely beneficial to the power of capital vs labour. So it can be seen as a rejection of this.

It also explains the other data I posted, beliefs on nationalization and utility ownership, taxation, etc. Now there will be others outside of these groups who support UKIP, so it's not totally about this, but it is the mainstay of their support. It's why they did so well in rotherham - a northern working class town

Edited May 25, 2014 by alexw

[Venger]

Similarly, to the workign drone, accountable means one is responsible for, and your head is on the block for your actions.

Hmmm. My experience is everyone claims someone else is always responsible when market moves against them, and wants compensation or bailouts.

Don't you remember all the posts at hpc offering excuses for those who had borrowers crazy sums to overpay for housing in 2008-2009, and still into 2010? "They just wanted a home." "The banks lent them too much." "The media made them do it."

Many of those same borrowers gloating their heads off to me now, "renting is dead money" and counting how much they're up. 30% in 2 years according to one London buyer on the forum the other day, who is "now safe" according to himself.

Edited May 25, 2014 by Venger

[okaycuckoo]

Is it? From polling UKIP supporters are mostly from the lower earning strata of society, both left and right. These are the groups that would have been worst hit by the wage suppression that has resulted from large scale immigration. They will also be one of the most affected by the preferential hiring of immigrants over UK born citizens, given that they will be directly competing against these immigrants for jobs.

The importation of cheap labour has been extremely beneficial to the power of capital vs labour. So it can be seen as a rejection of this.

It also explains the other data I posted, beliefs on nationalization and utility ownership, taxation, etc. Now there will be others outside of these groups who support UKIP, so it's not totally about this, but it is the mainstay of their support. It's why they did so well in rotherham - a northern working class town

My point was that one common man doesn't show much sympathy to another common man if he comes from beyond the border. But no biggie.

Your linked video is interesting, although he didn't get into the stats on issues that you (I think) posted earlier, ie. 73% want renationalisation of power/ rail etc.

His figures don't chime with my experience - all the UKIPers I know are secure pensioners/homeowners. They certainly aren't the left behind, and I think most of them are former public sector. But I'm in south coast suburbia - maybe the Thames estuary is a different environment for politics.

edit: "thersa" is a risky word to market this video.

Edited May 25, 2014 by okaycuckoo

[zugzwang]

Osborne's not listening. He needs to strong-arm more private debt into the economy to maintain the charade of recovery and he's prepared to carry on subsidising the housing market to get it.

George Osborne is looking to resist pressure to curb the housing stimulus market stimulus provided by the Help to Buy scheme, it has emerged.

The Chancellor’s move comes amid growing concern about the controversal scheme’s claimed contibution to the home price “bubble” and signals that the Bank of England is prepared to intervene.

High street banks are also showing signs of nervousness about housing market trends. It is thought the lead taken last week by taxpayer-backed Lloyds - to restrict “risky” housing loans of more than £500,000 in a bid to cool the London market - could be be followed shortly by state-owned RBS.

But on Sunday Danny Alexander, the Liberal Democrat chief secretary at the Treasury, provided the strongest evidence so far that the Chancellor is prepared to push on with the Help to Buy mortgage guarantee scheme to maintain the stimulus for the housing market.

His contribution is being seen as a warning to Mark Carney, Governor of the Bank of England, about taking premature action to reduce the impact of the scheme. Last week the Governor served notice he was in favour of lending curbs when he cautioned that the “deep, deep problems” in the housing market represented the biggest risk to the country’s financial stability.

It is thought the Bank’s financial policy committee could in June recommend higher capital requirements for banks to be held against mortgage lending levels, as well as limits on the maximum loan to value ratio for mortgage, and a possible dilution of the Help to Buy scheme.

Mr Alexander, however, maintained that it would be a serious mistake if a price “bubble”, which he said was limited to London, was “used to disrupt the recovery for homebuilding and construction industries”. He said: “It would be a tragic mistake to allow the tail of London to wag the dog of the housing market in the rest of the country.”

He provided an early insight into the latest set of Help to Buy figures based on the second phase of the scheme which are due to be released on Thursday. The Treasury has interpreted them as helping buyers in the north and making only a limited contribution to home price inflation in the south.

Officials have also provided a breakdown of regional trends showing that London prices were up 17pc in the year to end March compared with only 4.7pc outside the capital and the south east. In Yorkshire and Humberside prices are still almost 25pc below earlier peak levels.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10855554/George-Osborne-to-resist-calls-to-curb-Help-to-Buy.html

[alexw]

Osborne's not listening. He needs to strong-arm more private debt into the economy to maintain the charade of recovery and he's prepared to carry on subsidising the housing market to get it.

So it looks like it's Carney who's looking out for himself and his legacy, vs Osborne who wants to win the election via the bubble feel good factor.

It's hilarious that they describe prices outside the SE going up *only* 4.7%. Pray tell how much have incomes outside the SE increased by?

The link between productivity and average worker wages needs to be restored plus the last 30 years of backlog. The whole world needs the same too. It's the only way to fix the imbalances.

[okaycuckoo]

Plus it's a mystery that Danny Alexander is still in the Lib Dems. Or why the Lib Dems exist.

[Neverwhere]

Plus it's a mystery that Danny Alexander is still in the Lib Dems. Or why the Lib Dems exist.

All the big parties need a total clear out at the top, none of them have either credible leadership or a credible (potential) cabinet. They'd probably be better off fielding candidates from their grassroots membership who at least have some experience of what it's like to live out here in the real world.

Edited May 25, 2014 by Lo-fi

[wonderpup]

That's a nice story. But it's not true.

Can you come up with a better example of "the common man" than ... an immigrant?

You miss my point- the reason immigration is an issue now is not because the UK is a xenophobic nation- we have had immigration to this country for decades.

The issue is not immigration itself but uncontrolled immigration.

This is what the home secretary said on the Andrew Marr show this morning;

"We still have that aim of the tens of thousands, but of course it has become more difficult. Net migration is too high. That is why I want to continue working to bring it down. What we see is in those areas which we can control, that is immigration from outside the EU, everything we have done as a government has been having an impact.

So the Tories are being punished primarily because of their inability to exercise control over numbers, rather than some sudden rise in xenophobia among the population.

The same lack of control we see in regard to the Bankers, who seem immune from all state control.

So I think the core issue is not immigration, or even banker's bonus's- the core issue is the widespread perception that the people asking for our votes lack either the will or the capacity to intervene effectively against transnational forces, either in the form of the EU or Bankers or International Corporations.

The constant factor in all the stories of uncontrolled immigration, uncontrolled bankers and uncontrolled tax evading corporations is the same- the apparent inability of those we elect to exert any control on our behalf.

So the reason people look to UKIP is in the hope-however misguided and foolish- that in Nigel Farage they have found a man with the balls to take on these powerful interests and do something about them- in stark contrast to the political eunuchs currently in charge who seem to have nothing to offer but grovelling obeisance to these interests.

I'm not saying they are right- only that this is the perception.

[shindigger]

You miss my point- the reason immigration is an issue now is not because the UK is a xenophobic nation- we have had immigration to this country for decades.

The issue is not immigration itself but uncontrolled immigration.

This is what the home secretary said on the Andrew Marr show this morning;

So the Tories are being punished primarily because of their inability to exercise control over numbers, rather than some sudden rise in xenophobia among the population.

The same lack of control we see in regard to the Bankers, who seem immune from all state control.

So I think the core issue is not immigration, or even banker's bonus's- the core issue is the widespread perception that the people asking for our votes lack either the will or the capacity to intervene effectively against transnational forces, either in the form of the EU or Bankers or International Corporations.

The constant factor in all the stories of uncontrolled immigration, uncontrolled bankers and uncontrolled tax evading corporations is the same- the apparent inability of those we elect to exert any control on our behalf.

So the reason people look to UKIP is in the hope-however misguided and foolish- that in Nigel Farage they have found a man with the balls to take on these powerful interests and do something about them- in stark contrast to the political eunuchs currently in charge who seem to have nothing to offer but grovelling obeisance to these interests.

I'm not saying they are right- only that this is the perception.

Good work.

[wonderpup]

Here's what happening in Europe;

European Voters Are Revolting; France Warns "Situation Is Grave For Europe"

Just as we had warned in the run-up to the European elections - and England's UKIP victory in local elections had suggested; Anti-European-Union parties are showing strongly in this weekend's elections. Anxiety is spreading among the status quo as Greece's anti-austerity party SYRIZA wins and perhaps even more worryingly in supposed core of the union France's Nationalist party is leading in a "political earthquake" success:

• EUROPEAN GOVERNMENTS MUST RESPOND TO CITIZENS' ANGER: VALLS
• FRANCE'S VALLS SAYS 'SITUATION IS GRAVE FOR FRANCE, EUROPE'
• DRAGHI SAYS PEOPLE VOTING ACROSS EUROPE ARE CLEARLY DISENGAGED

Disengaged? - or totally pissed off with promises that never materialize and wealth that only trickles down to the uber-richest and uber-elitest.

No wonder France is worried...

Anti-establishment parties were gaining ground in other parts of the EU too (following UKIP's lead in the UK).

In France, exit polls setting the anti-immigrant, far right National Front up for its first success in a national election.

In Greece, exit polls had the far-left SYRIZA party leading with 26-30 per cent of the vote, ahead of the ruling conservative New Democracy Party. SYRIZA, whose leader, Alexis Tsipras, is running for European Commission president, has campaigned vociferously against the austerity that was part of the EU's response to its economic crisis.

In Austria, the right-wing FPOe came in third with 20 per cent, while the anti-immigrant Danish People's Party was set to take the biggest share of the vote in that Nordic country, according to exit polls and initial projections.

In Finland, the anti-immigrant True Finns party was projected to win two of the country's 13 seats in the European Parliament, adding one seat to its previous tally.

In Germany, the far-right National Democratic Party - which has many overtly neo-Nazi supporters - could be on course to win its first seat in the legislature, according to projections. Germany's anti-euro Alternative fuer Deutschland (AfD) is also set to make its debut in the parliament after capturing 6.5 per cent of the German vote, a public television exit poll showed.

In Belgium: *FLEMISH NATIONALISTS LEAD IN BELGIAN ELECTION, 1ST RESULTS SHOW

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-25/european-voters-are-revolting-france-warns-situation-grave-europe

[billybong]

http://

globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/fun-night-for-eurosceptics-ukip-and.html

• Nigel Farage's UKIP was the top vote getter in the UK with about 29% of the vote
• Marine Le Pen's Front National party was the top vote getter in France with 26% of the vote
• The Danish People’s party is the largest party in Denmark with about 25% of the vote
• Beppe Grillo's Five Star Movement is a likely second-place finisher in Italy
• Alexis Tsipras' Syriza part is the top vote getter in Greece with about 26% of the vote

Edited May 26, 2014 by billybong