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http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/may/16/privatise-child-protection-services-department-for-education-proposes

The power to take children away from their families could be privatised along with other child protection services under controversial plans the government has quietly announced.

The proposal from Michael Gove's Department for Education (DfE) to permit the outsourcing of children's social services to companies such as G4S and Serco has alarmed experts. They say profit-making companies should not be in charge of such sensitive family matters, and warn that the introduction of the profit motive into child protection may distort the decision-making process.

A DfE consultation paper published last month argues that enabling local authorities to outsource children's social services will encourage innovation and improve outcomes for at-risk youngsters.

Private providers will allow authorities to "harness third party expertise" and "stimulate new approaches to securing improvements" for safeguarding services outside "traditional hierarchies", the document says.

Ah yes harnessing 3rd party expertise in making a profit. Whilst clearly the current system has failures at least the feckups aren't down to some executive seeking to maximise profits!

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http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/may/16/privatise-child-protection-services-department-for-education-proposes

Ah yes harnessing 3rd party expertise in making a profit. Whilst clearly the current system has failures at least the feckups aren't down to some executive seeking to maximise profits!

...ahh ..these people have both demonstrated they are not capable of delivery ....in dealing with them the Government should be charged with dereliction of duty and those responsible sacked ...time for accountability.....what hold do these companies have over Governments...?..... :rolleyes:

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...ahh ..these people have both demonstrated they are not capable of delivery ....in dealing with them the Government should be charged with dereliction of duty and those responsible sacked ...time for accountability.....what hold do these companies have over Governments...?..... :rolleyes:

Directorships or similar when the government officals responsible leave parliament.

Oh and the current government believe -

private = 100% good

public = 100% bad

Ergo everything that can be privatized must be privatized. So we have police functions privatized and now child protection services....

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...ahh ..these people have both demonstrated they are not capable of delivery ....in dealing with them the Government should be charged with dereliction of duty and those responsible sacked ...time for accountability.....what hold do these companies have over Governments...?..... :rolleyes:

We live in a coporatist state, they are the government:

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Michael Gove Child Snatcher

Thatcher had the good sense to stop at milk.

Private providers will allow authorities to "harness third party expertise" and "stimulate new approaches to securing improvements

Clearly people who believe this nonsense have never worked for in the private sector. Estate agents, banks, supermarkets, train operators, energy companies, care homes et al. where none of these attributes that exist in their fuddled brains obtain in practice.

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Haha how on earth have we got to here?

So we are going to give a private company a profit incentive to take peoples children away?

Set the price too high means children will be taken away when they shouldn't. Set the price too low and children will be left in abusive situations.

Who is coming up with these ideas?

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Private sector bad? At least there's some transparency, accountability and people get sacked.

This is review after the farces at Doncaster and Birmingham.

I grew up as the Cleveland Sex abuse scandal was going on up the road.

This had nothing to do with public sector spending being cut, or private sector profit seeking.

It was nothing more than a clique of lazy, unaccoutanble public sector nut women.

Have a look at see what happened to the wimmin involved.

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Haha how on earth have we got to here?

So we are going to give a private company a profit incentive to take peoples children away?

Set the price too high means children will be taken away when they shouldn't. Set the price too low and children will be left in abusive situations.

Who is coming up with these ideas?

I remember watching a documentary about privatised prisons on the US - the result corruption and fraud and the incentive to imprison on the most trivial of things.

We all know that a few of the bigger companies will get the spoils - their connections to those in power hidden or not. All the money will still some from us - a pseudo-private sector operation.

How much more of this can they do?

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Private sector bad? At least there's some transparency, accountability and people get sacked.

This is review after the farces at Doncaster and Birmingham.

I grew up as the Cleveland Sex abuse scandal was going on up the road.

This had nothing to do with public sector spending being cut, or private sector profit seeking.

It was nothing more than a clique of lazy, unaccoutanble public sector nut women.

Have a look at see what happened to the wimmin involved.

You mean like in the banking sector? Or perhaps Enron? What about Worldcom?

Rover perhaps?

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If people think privatizing this service is a good idea then there is no hope. This is one of a few areas where profit should not be involved.

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If people think privatizing this service is a good idea then there is no hope. This is one of a few areas where profit should not be involved.

Yep, giving jimmy savile a room at a hospice for disabled kids is the work of a truly loving state.

A glimpse to how unions see paedo members from the US...

http://eagnews.org/parents-are-stunned-that-the-teachers-union-is-seeking-a-10000-severance-for-the-teacher-who-molested-their-son/

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Maybe they could take the kids away from the parents and put them to work to pay for their own care? That would be a neat private sector solution. It was not that long ago that we had children cleaning chimneys or working in factories after all.

Odd how this faith in the power of the free market to solve all problems does not extend to the housing market where the Government has decided that it must intervene with Help to Buy.

So I guess the message is clear- house prices are more important than child welfare.

Just when you think these people cannot sink any lower they surprise you.

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Yep, giving jimmy savile a room at a hospice for disabled kids is the work of a truly loving state.

A glimpse to how unions see paedo members from the US...

http://eagnews.org/parents-are-stunned-that-the-teachers-union-is-seeking-a-10000-severance-for-the-teacher-who-molested-their-son/

Have things gone wrong in the past you betcha, would these things have still happened if childcare had been privatized at the time absolutely. There is evidence that organisations both public and private where infiltrated by sex offenders and were in some cases quite organized. At the time these things were swept under the carpet.

Look at the cases of sex abuse in private schools, celebrities abusing kids at work while working for ITV.

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Not unison and they dont hold the country to ransom when their members get caught out or their unreasonable demands arent met.

Sorry I thought you had a problem with all unions not just Unison. My experience with a private sector union was that they were willing to sacrifice anything, including the pay and conditions of their younger members, in order to protect the pension payouts of senior staff. Anyway, I'm not so sure that union-driven underfunded pension schemes (while undoubtedly something that needs to get sorted out) are the real driver behind privatisation because don't the government retain these pension liabilities after privatisation? Wasn't that the case with the PO and RM?

Also the various problems that have come to light within child services departments in recent years seem to involve other factors in terms of their internal culture such as mindless target hitting, poor communication with other public services, and outright fear of dealing with certain families. Privitisation is unlikely to solve these issues, after all who are these private companies going to employ? Most likely the workers with qualifications and experience in the field who have just been made redundant from the public sector, and who may well retain their union membership in some form in any case.

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And the good thing about this is if it doesnt work out for the kids there is already private prisons who by chance have seen the prison population doubled under Blair.

All that is missing is for the out of touch morally corrupt judges who live in their bizarre little bubble of legal text books to be privatised, we could raise taxes to pay them more!

I wish Auschwitz still existed for this ilk, maybe gas chambers in Oxford and Cambridge would be an idea. (privatised of course)

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Odd how this faith in the power of the free market to solve all problems does not extend to the housing market where the Government has decided that it must intervene with Help to Buy.

Yes it is funny. This never seems to get brought up in the media oddly enough either...

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Yes it is funny. This never seems to get brought up in the media oddly enough either...

Well this is exactly the kind of free market the Tory party love, ie one that is paid for by the taxpayer.

I seriously think that Tory voters are far more idiotic then the socialist Labour voters they mock .... as at least Labour voters get some crumbs from the pie and are aware theyre socialist.

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Have things gone wrong in the past you betcha, would these things have still happened if childcare had been privatized at the time absolutely. There is evidence that organisations both public and private where infiltrated by sex offenders and were in some cases quite organized. At the time these things were swept under the carpet.

Look at the cases of sex abuse in private schools, celebrities abusing kids at work while working for ITV.

ok, ok, its individuals who do wrong, not organizations. Im not going to get hung up about whether social services are run by private companies or the state though. It certainly seems easier to replace private orgs. than reform public bodies, who seem to close ranks and circle the wagons at the mere mention of the word 'change'

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