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M25 to become giant 14 lane motorway under radical plans to build third runway at Heathrow
  • Airport wants to add third runway to keep pace with global rivals
  • Rival Gatwick says Government should instead let it build second runway
  • Boris dismisses both plans and calls for huge new Thames Estuary airport
  • Mayor's top airport adviser says Heathrow proposal 'lunacy'

The M25 could be expanded to an unprecedented 14 lanes under Heathrow's radical new plan for a third runway, it emerged today.

The airport unveiled its controversial expansion proposal in a submission to the Government's aviation commission - as it battles to fend off growing competition from its rival Gatwick.

But London Mayor Boris Johnson dismissed both plans. His chief airport adviser said Heathrow's bid was 'lunacy' while Gatwick's bid for a second runway was a 'humongous red herring'.

So what's actually more lunacy expanding Heathrow, having 14 lanes on the M25 your still going to have bottle necks when people leave, or building an airport in the Thames estuary?

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Why not build a new airport at Rudgwick. It's a handy 40 minutes drive from Worthing! :blink:

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Typical daily mail hysteria. M25 is actually already 12 lanes wide in the bit they want to build on top off, and given the usual thing nowadays is to steal hard shoulders instead of actually add another lane, I doubt any serious road work's would be necessary.

The cliffe/thames option looks most impressive, in practice cant see the point though, as its the wrong side of London for the rest of the country and would mothball a truly vast amount of investment at Heathrow. Personally i dont see much point in becoming a 'hub'. Doubt theres much economic bonus for the economy outside the actual airport. Just add another runway at gatwick,stansted,luton and heathrow, share any growth and forget about being a 'hub' or any new airport.

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All they need to do is to move the bank of England up North. The rest of the city will follow.

And the whole government, that would cut demand for flights in London in half.

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The third runway proposal is more to do with shoring up the stock price of BAA than anything else.

There is serious local opposition to the project and clearly Boris is not on board with the plan wanting a new facility in the Thames estuary. Boris is clearly not going anywhere soon and is continually tipped for greater things.

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Is there any spectacular reason why Stanstead can't be upgraded with an extra runway or two, and enhanced road and rail links?

Still a bit out of the way though even if the roads to it are improved.

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According to the UK roads / sabre forum the M25 at this point is already above the runway height owing to having to pass over a river, so for the runway to go over the M25 either the M25 would have to be dropped 30 or 40 feet for a half mile or so or earthworks for a mile and a half to raise the new runway by the same amount.

Still probably less effort than turning boris island from a swamp.

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The Boris Island idea has been around since the '40s. There's probably a good reason it stayed on the drawing board.

Surely improved rail links to Heathrow cuts out the need for upheaval to the M25.

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The Boris Island idea has been around since the '40s. There's probably a good reason it stayed on the drawing board.

Surely improved rail links to Heathrow cuts out the need for upheaval to the M25.

Maplin sands i think it was called in the 50s. Another plan ive seen is for one in the middle of oxfordshire, with about 50 miles of new motorway to go with it.

Must be a lot of money it in, its rare such grandiose schemes are proposed.

Doubtless nearer the time it'll turn out a couple of billion of taxpayers funds are needed to 'secure' the investment (otherwise known as a deposit to secure the debt)

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Still a bit out of the way though even if the roads to it are improved.

Not sure.. upgrade the M11 and it's only something like 20 miles of motorway further than Heathrow from central London, Add a high speed rail link and you'd barely notice.

(There's probably a very good case for a Stanstead - Luton - High Wycome - Reading - M3 motorway as well.. but good look getting a new road through that many Conservative constituencies..)

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Not sure.. upgrade the M11 and it's only something like 20 miles of motorway further than Heathrow from central London, Add a high speed rail link and you'd barely notice.

(There's probably a very good case for a Stanstead - Luton - High Wycome - Reading - M3 motorway as well.. but good look getting a new road through that many Conservative constituencies..)

Yeah, from central London. Which is an out-of-the-way corner from most of the rest of the country. If something is supposed to be of national importance and still has to be stuck vaguely London way at the very least it needs to lie in the north to west arc. Anything anywhere else is fundamentally a local development with delusions of grandeur.

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Then go with the Thames Estuary plan but keep moving it slightly further out - until it ends up in the Netherlands and can be an expansion of Schipol instead. :)

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It won't really help anyone in the UK expanding Heathrow. They simply want to expand its use as a European transatlantic and world hub. It benefits the company owning the airport for which everyone pays a high price in terms of noise pollution, congestion etc.

Ban its use as a hub and we might actually be able to close one runway.

If they want such a hub then I'd guess that expanding Bristol airport (with a huge improvement in transport links to it) would make far more sense..

Or one of those flying aircraft carriers out of Avengers Ensemble..

My preference would be to create an inflatable, buoyant airport - basically a huge balloon (really, quite huge - several km square, with tens of thousands of tonnes of lifting capacity) - about 20,000 feet up. Obviously you'd have lifts going to a base on the ground to which the airport was tethered; you may even have a method for raising aircraft up in their entirety (thus saving all the fuel).

This would get rid of all of the planning issues - you could in theory park it right over a city, and noise would not be an issue. You'd also make big fuel savings. Take off and landing would be safer.

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It won't really help anyone in the UK expanding Heathrow. They simply want to expand its use as a European transatlantic and world hub. It benefits the company owning the airport for which everyone pays a high price in terms of noise pollution, congestion etc.

Ban its use as a hub and we might actually be able to close one runway.

Yes, but that'll benefit normal people, so we cant have that.

Instead we'll have another decade of urban tory twats like boris battle rural tory twats over who gets to pay the price for tory greed.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2627131/M25-giant-14-lane-motorway-lunatic-plans-expand-Heathrow-angrily-dismissed-Boris-Johnson.html

So what's actually more lunacy expanding Heathrow, having 14 lanes on the M25 your still going to have bottle necks when people leave, or building an airport in the Thames estuary?

they need an M25 heathrow bypass really.

that stretch of motorway is always a sodding nightmare.

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According to the UK roads / sabre forum the M25 at this point is already above the runway height owing to having to pass over a river, so for the runway to go over the M25 either the M25 would have to be dropped 30 or 40 feet for a half mile or so or earthworks for a mile and a half to raise the new runway by the same amount.

Still probably less effort than turning boris island from a swamp.

Or, build a flyover for the M25.

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