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Are we reaching the point where future generations will view a secure tenancy on a well-established decent estate as the pinnacle of aspiration?

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A friend in a council house is doing far better then his younger brother who is renting despite the fact he gets paid 10-15K a year more .. so it would seem its the way forward.

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Previous generations were prepared to fight for secure tenancies etc. Most secure tenants will die off as they tend to be older generation. Younger generations don't care so much as they aspire only to become debt slaves in order to board the HPI perpetual money train.

There is no such thing as a secure tenancy. If they want you out, they will find a way, even if it means demolishing the building you live in. A few more years of inflation busting rent rises will kill off the social rented sector.

I'm amazed how easily social tenants have been woo'd by the PRS, and all its required is a modern hob, halogen lighting and an en-suite.

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Previous generations were prepared to fight for secure tenancies etc. Most secure tenants will die off as they tend to be older generation. Younger generations don't care so much as they aspire only to become debt slaves in order to board the HPI perpetual money train.

There is no such thing as a secure tenancy. If they want you out, they will find a way, even if it means demolishing the building you live in. A few more years of inflation busting rent rises will kill off the social rented sector.

I'm amazed how easily social tenants have been woo'd by the PRS, and all its required is a modern hob, halogen lighting and an en-suite.

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Are we reaching the point where future generations will view a secure tenancy on a well-established decent estate as the pinnacle of aspiration?

...the system will collapse ...there will be nobody to pay the taxes to subsidise such rentals / housing..... :rolleyes:

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...the system will collapse ...there will be nobody to pay the taxes to subsidise such rentals / housing..... :rolleyes:

My not for profit HA has been getting along providing secure tenancies for reasonable rents quite nicely without any such subsidies.

The key words here are 'not for profit'. To be honest, we could do with a lot more of them.

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My not for profit HA has been getting along providing secure tenancies for reasonable rents quite nicely without any such subsidies.

The key words here are 'not for profit'. To be honest, we could do with a lot more of them.

How high are the salaries to make sure there's no profit?

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How high are the salaries to make sure there's no profit?

They are not salaried. The board members and some of the tenants are all volunteers.

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Previous generations were prepared to fight for secure tenancies etc. Most secure tenants will die off as they tend to be older generation. Younger generations don't care so much as they aspire only to become debt slaves in order to board the HPI perpetual money train.

There is no such thing as a secure tenancy. If they want you out, they will find a way, even if it means demolishing the building you live in. A few more years of inflation busting rent rises will kill off the social rented sector.

I'm amazed how easily social tenants have been woo'd by the PRS, and all its required is a modern hob, halogen lighting and an en-suite.

If a bad tenant is fighting eviction, HAs often offer a cash incentive to go, £5k or so. Not sure if councils do that.

Almost 20% of my rent is service charges. Every 4 or 5 years they come up with a way of spending surplus cash on this place, new central heating, new kitchen and recently new windows. I think it's something to do with the tight restrictions HAs have on meeting budget forecasts. Can't be over or under by much. So I guess they plan to be under budget then coming up to the end of the fiscal year, spend just enough on some properties to meet their targets.

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My not for profit HA has been getting along providing secure tenancies for reasonable rents quite nicely without any such subsidies.

The key words here are 'not for profit'. To be honest, we could do with a lot more of them.

Same for my HA, they have improved all the houses on my estate, which were bought from the council, and have now set about building new homes on the outskirts.

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Are we reaching the point where future generations will view a secure tenancy on a well-established decent estate as the pinnacle of aspiration?

We are there already I think- the council tenant-once viewed by many as a subhuman species- is now seen as occupying an envious position of security in an increasingly insecure world.

And when informed that these council tenants in some cases had spare bedrooms in their suddenly desirable homes the reaction was outrage :lol:

Seriously something has gone very wrong indeed if the spare bedrooms of the chavs have now become so contentious that the middle class find their mere existence such a hot button issue.

Social tenant envy is the last thing I expected to see among the chattering classes- but such is the desperation now that the idea that those subhumans have somehow 'cheated the system' is gaining ground rapidly- never mind that the system itself is utterly corrupt and the blame for that does not lie with the occupants of social housing- they are both inferior and poorer- so- the thinking goes- why the f*ck should they live in a decent house?

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It has been happening for a while. Wander around London (especially Central London) and you will see homes, originally built for the poor in the last century, now pied a terre's for wealthy London professionals.

Garden estates built by the LCC, are now highly sought after addresses, as is the once notorious 'brutalist' Trellick Tower in Notting Hill and its sister, the Balfron Tower in Poplar, East London.

Below is a pic of a Council estate near me, now this is post war development, and a 'bit rough' but look at the fine houses and wide boulevards. Compare with todays Taylor Wimpy identikit estate.

I'm afraid we need the State to bring up standards, and show the private the sector how its done comrades :P

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As the youngest, I am the only person in my immediate family who hasn't secured a council tenancy. I did own an ex-council flat for a few years but that's the closest I'll get.

Secure Tenancy aside, I'm not too envious of council tenants. They do have to endure pretty bad neighbours at times. I've taken my name off the housing waiting list as I have b*gger all chance in getting a place as a singleton with no dependants.

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Below is a pic of a Council estate near me, now this is post war development, and a 'bit rough' but look at the fine houses and wide boulevards. Compare with todays Taylor Wimpy identikit estate.

I'm afraid we need the State to bring up standards, and show the private the sector how its done comrades :P

I do agree with you Citizen aSecure Tenant ;) . My local authority are building new council housing however, I think they will build houses and flats 'cheek by jowl' like the Barratt and Taylor Wimpey estates are now. Near my work in my lunch break I sometimes take a walk around the estate built from the mid 1970s to the 1980s/90s. They are mostly council houses but there are some private homes there too. These houses look too cosy compared to the 1950s-60s built estate I grew up on.

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Are we reaching the point where future generations will view a secure tenancy on a well-established decent estate as the pinnacle of aspiration?

If so it's cyclical. Just listen to archive recordings from the 1950s, when a council flat in the sky was a prize to which many aspired, and a dream come true for those who got them.

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If so it's cyclical. Just listen to archive recordings from the 1950s, when a council flat in the sky was a prize to which many aspired, and a dream come true for those who got them.

It actually worked for a while. Near where I live are two high rises. They look a little bit incongruous built in the countryside of the Holme Valley a bit of a landmark as you drive into Huddersfield along the A616. I rather like the socialism of this project in the 70's. No attempt to fit the development in, and they are even painted to stand out. Can you imagine the squeals of anguish now from ho moanerz and NIMBY's?

However they were built to house a lot of the residents of Berry Brow when their homes were demolished in the 1970's, and they were considered 'unfit' at the time. You can wander round here, and once where there were tightly packed terraces and shops is now landscaping and tree's.

It worked or a while, but then the Tories turned Council housing into a dumping ground, and the better tenants moved out or just died off. Now those blocks have the nickname 'suicide towers' (after a resident jumped from his balcony) and no one, but the most desperate wants to live there now.

There is a film about it, on the Yorkshire Film Archive.

http://www.yorkshirefilmarchive.com/film/berry-brow

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If so it's cyclical. Just listen to archive recordings from the 1950s, when a council flat in the sky was a prize to which many aspired, and a dream come true for those who got them.

The large 1950s estate near here (Putney Heath) is streets ahead of anything they might build today. Masses of green space and trees, blocks mostly just 4 storeys, very light and relatively spacious flats, lots of storage, and they nearly all have balconies.

Of course many of them are now privately owned. I looked at several with a daughter when she was hoping to buy. One vendor told us she had come there as a child, cleared from some awful dump in Battersea, no bathroom or indoor loo, etc. She said it had snowed just before they arrived at the nice, clean modern flat, and 'we thought we had come to fairyland'.

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I recently watched 'Cathy Come Home' to see how it had stood the test of time. This was a life changing play at the time. Questions in the House, change of government policy etc.

Not mentioned at the time was that the guy was a full on tosspot and she even dumber for going along with him.

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