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Teacher Murdered In Leeds

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Don't really want to talk about the actual incident, obviously goes without saying it was completely tragic.

However what I find interesting in the response from teachers unions and other (probably self appointed) teachers leaders.

While using some flowery words they seem to be essentially try to brush it under the carpet as an "isolated incident". Maybe it is a little early but i would have thought they would be making more of a big deal of violence and bad behaviour in class rooms.

If i were a teacher I would much rather earn a few percent less and teach in a nice safe environment, rather than earn more and teach in a dangerous/disruptive place.

However teachers unions seem to keen to get their members to strike over a few % pay rise yet you never here about official strikes because teachers are expected to teach violent and previously excluded children.

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It is an isolated incident though, isn't it? I can't remember ever hearing about a teacher in a UK school being killed by a pupil before.

I do think you are right to highlight bad behaviour/violence though. I once knew a inner city teacher and he regarded some of his classes as little more than crowd control. Particularly those with recent migrants from war zones. He was sympathetic rather than intimidated though (but he was a big lad). After all, if you'd seen all of your family killed as a child, were new to both English and the UK - you'd probably be a little disruptive.

As the result of this, I imagine we'll see the gradual introduction of scanners & other security measures at UK schools. It would be a shame as I believe that kind of stuff breeds distrust on both sides.

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I once knew a inner city teacher and he regarded some of his classes as little more than crowd control.

Sounds like my school, 35 years ago!

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This apparently is less of a deprivation/inner city story than the middle class, drug taking loner type.

Crimes like this mess with the lefts noodles. All these middle cass jihadis are also hardly 'alienated and disadvanted' either. Most come from very good backgrounds. The leftists cant blame it on inequality and demand some massive bureaucracy to award themselves big pensions.

Life in 21st century UK is indeed shameful. All these 'talent' shows and reality shows, its a surprise more people dont want to attack a culture where such vacuous drivel predominates. I can actually feel my brain melt away if I happen to watch Cowell/Holden/Dixon.

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I wasn't really talking about metal detectors, I was more talking about permanently expelling kids that have a history of violence. Quite often these kids get excluded, but then re-admitted because a permanent expulsion would look bad on the OFSTED report. I realise this only puts the problem kids in a worse institution together, but at least it would give the more interested kids a chance, and also allow the teachers to teach. (I also realise it may not have stop the stabbing in this case).

I find it pretty depressing that rather than using this an an opportunity to ask some serious questions about behaviour levels in British schools, the media (and to an extent society in general) would rather focus on what "class" the kid was, and how much his parents house was worth.

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BBC essex having a phone in on "how can we stop this ever happening again".

The answer...we can by having 100% lockdown in and out of schools.

therefore, there is no sensible way of preventing it.

Was the kid on psychotropics?...seems to be a common theme in the US.

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The accused's parents had recently divorced, and reported anecdotal evidence suggests that he went rapidly downhill from that point.

So for the teachers' unions to make a big song and dance about this would probably have the undesirable (for the political left) effect of validating the right's belief that single-parent families are a bad idea.

As others have pointed out, the left cannot with any credibility claim that he was the product of social deprivation, racism, sexism, anti-homosexual prejudice or any other -ism or -phobia; or that the school was under-resourced, or any other causes that would enable them to use this murder to attack the C/conservatives.

In short and from what we know so far, the only social or economic factor that appears to have possibly had anything to do with it would be the collapse of his parents' marriage, and because the political left believes that the traditional nuclear family is a fundamentally bad thing (because it threatens the authority of the government), this is not something they want to dwell on.

Furthermore, the left have spent the last two decades characterising school attacks as something that only happens in America, and that the absence of the sort of security measures you see in the more problematic US schools (and those in many other countries) - dedicated campus police, 10-foot tall wire fences around school perimeters, that sort of thing - is not something that a socialist utopia like the UK needs to do.

So there are two, powerful sets of reasons for the unions to pretend that this didn't happen.

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BBC essex having a phone in on "how can we stop this ever happening again".

The answer...we can by having 100% lockdown in and out of schools.

therefore, there is no sensible way of preventing it.

Was the kid on psychotropics?...seems to be a common theme in the US.

This is what worries me about the left, this unhinged 'if it saves one life, its worth it' mentality.

Fit adults with a poison releasing gadget that activates if they go within 10 feet of a child would stop all adult on child sex attacks, should we do that too? If you're a leftist nut you'd probably say yes.

Heinous crime's happen in free nations. Its part of being free.

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...they just have to crowbar in the prices of the relevant parties houses...they can't help themselves...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2616326/Boy-suspects-mother-holiday-Gran-Canaria-Further-details-emerge-teenager-accused-stabbing-teacher.html

and all the blurred-out children's faces. what a strange country Britain has become!

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and all the blurred-out children's faces. what a strange country Britain has become!

I would guess that this is because of possible speculation that one of those kids could be the murderer, the naming of names that might take place on social media if the faces were not fuzzed out, etc. etc.

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The accused's parents had recently divorced, and reported anecdotal evidence suggests that he went rapidly downhill from that point.

So for the teachers' unions to make a big song and dance about this would probably have the undesirable (for the political left) effect of validating the right's belief that single-parent families are a bad idea.

As others have pointed out, the left cannot with any credibility claim that he was the product of social deprivation, racism, sexism, anti-homosexual prejudice or any other -ism or -phobia; or that the school was under-resourced, or any other causes that would enable them to use this murder to attack the C/conservatives.

In short and from what we know so far, the only social or economic factor that appears to have possibly had anything to do with it would be the collapse of his parents' marriage, and because the political left believes that the traditional nuclear family is a fundamentally bad thing (because it threatens the authority of the government), this is not something they want to dwell on.

Furthermore, the left have spent the last two decades characterising school attacks as something that only happens in America, and that the absence of the sort of security measures you see in the more problematic US schools (and those in many other countries) - dedicated campus police, 10-foot tall wire fences around school perimeters, that sort of thing - is not something that a socialist utopia like the UK needs to do.

So there are two, powerful sets of reasons for the unions to pretend that this didn't happen.

Speaking as a leftie, I'm so glad that you know exactly what I'm thinking, and you wouldn't stoop to using this incident to rant about this largely-imaginary 'left' that is the cause of all evils (in your head, at least).

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This is what worries me about the left, this unhinged 'if it saves one life, its worth it' mentality.

Fit adults with a poison releasing gadget that activates if they go within 10 feet of a child would stop all adult on child sex attacks, should we do that too? If you're a leftist nut you'd probably say yes.

Heinous crime's happen in free nations. Its part of being free.

its not so much a left/right mentality, its the press pushing the angle....

why would anyone listen to the news for hours on end, IF the press suddenly found there was nothing more to report..ie, the people became bored with the subject before the endless hours of media time were so cheaply filled...I mean, they'd actually have to go out and find more news.

Having guests in to endlessly discuss the various theories, the players states of mind, trying to find the reason is what these people do. They require an Angle to garner interest. the Angle need have nothing to do with the facts.

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They felt the need to comment on the main BBC news last night that this boys fb page had a like of certain rock music.

Completely irrelevant but apparently worthy of noting.

Does liking NIN really make you more likely to stab someone to death ? I would imagine no.

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Does liking NIN really make you more likely to stab someone to death ? I would imagine no.

So far, so good. I did step on the cat yesterday, but it was an accident.

Seen/heard this?

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Speaking as a leftie, I'm so glad that you know exactly what I'm thinking, and you wouldn't stoop to using this incident to rant about this largely-imaginary 'left' that is the cause of all evils (in your head, at least).

calm down dear. it's a forum.

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Speaking as a leftie, I'm so glad that you know exactly what I'm thinking, and you wouldn't stoop to using this incident to rant about this largely-imaginary 'left' that is the cause of all evils (in your head, at least).

There's nothing imaginary about the fact that the views AB describes are indeed widespread among the political left. And unless you come straight out and agree that e.g. promoting lone parenthood has indeed been a bad policy (by all governing parties), I'm afraid that qui tacit consentire videtur will have to apply once again.

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The accused's parents had recently divorced, and reported anecdotal evidence suggests that he went rapidly downhill from that point........

In short and from what we know so far, the only social or economic factor that appears to have possibly had anything to do with it would be the collapse of his parents' marriage, and because the political left believes that the traditional nuclear family is a fundamentally bad thing (because it threatens the authority of the government), this is not something they want to dwell on.

Doesn't explain what on earth such an otherwise 'nice' middle class lad was doing with a knife on him in a class?? Unless he was seriously mentally disturbed (either neurological, such as schizophrenia, or emotionally from recent life events) - in which case it would surely have been visually evident long before he got to the stage of lashing out with a knife at a teacher.

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Doesn't explain what on earth such an otherwise 'nice' middle class lad was doing with a knife on him in a class?? Unless he was seriously mentally disturbed (either neurological, such as schizophrenia, or emotionally from recent life events) - in which case it would surely have been visually evident long before he got to the stage of lashing out with a knife at a teacher.

will the medication he was on be revealed?

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There's nothing imaginary about the fact that the views AB describes are indeed widespread among the political left. And unless you come straight out and agree that e.g. promoting lone parenthood has indeed been a bad policy (by all governing parties), I'm afraid that qui tacit consentire videtur will have to apply once again.

I wasn't aware that any parties were promoting lone parenthood. And I find it very revealing that you didn't come out and deny the sheep molesting.

In any case, violent crime is down and has come down quite dramatically in recent years. So perhaps this 'promotion of lone parenthood' - assuming it actually happens - is causing crime to go down.

As far as this incident goes.. I suspect that there may be some form of mental illness involved - paranoid schizophrenia can emerge in adolescents and (very occasionally) causes this kind of incident. If this is the case then all the moralizing in the world won't stop it, and no realistic amount of school security can do anything about it.

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They felt the need to comment on the main BBC news last night that this boys fb page had a like of certain rock music.

Completely irrelevant but apparently worthy of noting.

Does liking NIN really make you more likely to stab someone to death ? I would imagine no.

We should probably lock up all male teenagers who are socially awkward, wear black clothing, want to stay in their bedrooms all day and listen to rock music about death. It's the only way to be sure.

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