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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10791249/LibDems-told-to-expect-to-lose-all-MEPs-in-Euro-elections-bloodbath.html

Senior Liberal Democrats have privately been warned that the party could be left with no MEPs after next month’s European Parliament elections.

Senior party figures were warned that the party’s electoral unpopularity meant that the party was facing seeing its 11 MEPs lose all their seats.

The warning came at a meeting of the party's hierarchy including Lord Ashdown, the former party leader who is coordinating the party’s election campaign.

Numbered briefing documents were handed out at the meeting, which warned that no MEPs after the election was now a realistic option.

The party looks set to do much worse than in the same polls in 2009, when it was left with 11 MEPs and won 2.1million votes or 14 per cent of the vote.

One insider told The Daily Telegraph “it is looking like an absolute bloodbath”.

Party sources are warning of a “cratering” of support across the country, with the vote in the East Midlands, for example, forecast to fall from 130,000 to 13,000.

The informal forecasts echo polling which consistently puts the LibDems in a distant fourth behind the UK Independence Party, Labour and the Conservatives.

Tim Farron, the party president, admitted there was a "price to pay" for facing mid-term elections as a governing party.

Mr Farron told Sky News’ Murnaghan programme: “These are the first Liberal mid-terms since Lloyd George’s day and of course there’s a price to pay but I’d rather be in a position making a difference, making the economy stronger.”

Asked if the LibDems could hang onto the party’s 11 MEPs, he said: “Any electoral system however fair it is or not is fairly unpredictable as to what will come out in terms of how many seats will come out of the end of it.”

A LibDem spokesman said: "The Liberal Democrats are the only party fighting for British jobs and Britain's place in Europe.

"No doubt these elections will be tough as we have had to take a lot of difficult decisions in the national interest since the last European elections.

"But we are standing up for what we believe in and are confident that people will support us in large numbers for doing so."

A party source added: "The idea we will lose all our MEPs is nonsense. No doubt we'll take a hit compared to 2009, especially in areas where we are not traditionally strong, but we will do well where we work hard as we have in every election since 2010."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10791249/LibDems-told-to-expect-to-lose-all-MEPs-in-Euro-elections-bloodbath.html

If this turns out to be the case surely Clegg will be in no position to carry on as leader of the LimpDumbs and a General Election will be the outcome?

Or maybe im just desperate for Ed Balls to be in charge of the nations finances.

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Nice to see the Liberal Democrats are in denial.

They are blaming this because they are part of the coallition, how about facing up to the reality that you betrayed your core voters, nothing you say can be trusted and you are ignoring your the party as a whole.

I predict and will be glad to see them get annihalted at the general election. They had a chance to reform our electoral system and completely messed it up. The option they gave would have been worse than we have now. Because they messed it up, I doubt whether I will see an option to reform our broken voting system.

Maybe if we had been offered an option of real proportional representation and reforms to make the politicians accountable to the electorate, then they would have been able to go into the election with something to shout about.

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Nice to see the Liberal Democrats are in denial.

They are blaming this because they are part of the coallition, how about facing up to the reality that you betrayed your core voters, nothing you say can be trusted and you are ignoring your the party as a whole.

I predict and will be glad to see them get annihalted at the general election. They had a chance to reform our electoral system and completely messed it up. The option they gave would have been worse than we have now. Because they messed it up, I doubt whether I will see an option to reform our broken voting system.

Maybe if we had been offered an option of real proportional representation and reforms to make the politicians accountable to the electorate, then they would have been able to go into the election with something to shout about.

IMHO the lib dems have been a dead party walking since 1994. They were founded as a centre left party to fill the void left by the 1975-90ish hard left labour party. Since 'new labour' was formed, politically, there has been no need for two centre left parties. Their one trump card, being a less sleazy left wing party has been exposed as bogus due to the additional scrutiny levied on governing parties.

Their voter 'base' is generally students (who are ideologues, not pragmatists, and so will vote for whoever promises the most) has gone back to labour, and the 'protest voter' (once they become a governing party, they become the establishment) will IMO go back to labour or perhaps, in some urban areas, green.

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IMHO the lib dems have been a dead party walking since 1994. They were founded as a centre left party to fill the void left by the 1975-90ish hard left labour party. Since 'new labour' was formed, politically, there has been no need for two centre left parties. Their one trump card, being a less sleazy left wing party has been exposed as bogus due to the additional scrutiny levied on governing parties.

Their voter 'base' is generally students (who are ideologues, not pragmatists, and so will vote for whoever promises the most) has gone back to labour, and the 'protest voter' (once they become a governing party, they become the establishment) will IMO go back to labour or perhaps, in some urban areas, green.

The LibDems also spent decades telling everybody they were different from Labour and the Conservatives but became exemplary boat non-rockers from day one of the Coalition. They were obsessed with being taken seriously as a party of government and interpreted that to mean not doing or saying anything that might upset anybody powerful. There is no demand for a third pro-status quo party.

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http://news.sky.com/story/1250297/eu-exit-would-be-economic-suicide-warns-farron

Snips:

EU Exit Would Be 'Economic Suicide', Warns Farron...

Lib Dem President argues the European Election is a two-horse race with UKIP...

"This election is in many ways a two-horse race between UKIP who want out and the

Liberal Democrats who want in.

"If you vote for anybody else in a sense it will have been a wasted vote...

Latest YouGov Euro polling: UKIP 31%, LibDems 9%

Looks like people are taking his message on board!

I love it when a democrat gets owned by democracy!

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IMHO the lib dems have been a dead party walking since 1994. They were founded as a centre left party to fill the void left by the 1975-90ish hard left labour party. Since 'new labour' was formed, politically, there has been no need for two centre left parties. Their one trump card, being a less sleazy left wing party has been exposed as bogus due to the additional scrutiny levied on governing parties.

Their voter 'base' is generally students (who are ideologues, not pragmatists, and so will vote for whoever promises the most) has gone back to labour, and the 'protest voter' (once they become a governing party, they become the establishment) will IMO go back to labour or perhaps, in some urban areas, green.

The wider LibDems became the party for people who did not like chinless wonders + Thatcher, and thought the likes of Mickye Foot were f-cking nuts. Basically, trying for a UK social democratic party.

Unluckily for them, the UK remained too tribal for the idea to get off the ground.

UKIP - well Farage - BSers + nutters to the core, have done the most to break down tribal barriers.

Here's Farage, dressed like the minor public school boy cum Estate Agent he is, reaching across class bondaries:

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/11167650.Nigel_Farage_comes_to_town_to_spread_his_free_trade_and_patriotism_messages/

I don't Labour are the 'left' party now. They are the party for public sector workers/statist tenencies. And that's a bigger problem than being Socialist/leftist.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10791249/LibDems-told-to-expect-to-lose-all-MEPs-in-Euro-elections-bloodbath.html

Senior Liberal Democrats have privately been warned that the party could be left with no MEPs after next month’s European Parliament elections.

Senior party figures were warned that the party’s electoral unpopularity meant that the party was facing seeing its 11 MEPs lose all their seats.

The warning came at a meeting of the party's hierarchy including Lord Ashdown, the former party leader who is coordinating the party’s election campaign.

Numbered briefing documents were handed out at the meeting, which warned that no MEPs after the election was now a realistic option.

The party looks set to do much worse than in the same polls in 2009, when it was left with 11 MEPs and won 2.1million votes or 14 per cent of the vote.

One insider told The Daily Telegraph “it is looking like an absolute bloodbath”.

Party sources are warning of a “cratering” of support across the country, with the vote in the East Midlands, for example, forecast to fall from 130,000 to 13,000.

The informal forecasts echo polling which consistently puts the LibDems in a distant fourth behind the UK Independence Party, Labour and the Conservatives.

Tim Farron, the party president, admitted there was a "price to pay" for facing mid-term elections as a governing party.

Mr Farron told Sky News’ Murnaghan programme: “These are the first Liberal mid-terms since Lloyd George’s day and of course there’s a price to pay but I’d rather be in a position making a difference, making the economy stronger.”

Asked if the LibDems could hang onto the party’s 11 MEPs, he said: “Any electoral system however fair it is or not is fairly unpredictable as to what will come out in terms of how many seats will come out of the end of it.”

A LibDem spokesman said: "The Liberal Democrats are the only party fighting for British jobs and Britain's place in Europe.

"No doubt these elections will be tough as we have had to take a lot of difficult decisions in the national interest since the last European elections.

"But we are standing up for what we believe in and are confident that people will support us in large numbers for doing so."

A party source added: "The idea we will lose all our MEPs is nonsense. No doubt we'll take a hit compared to 2009, especially in areas where we are not traditionally strong, but we will do well where we work hard as we have in every election since 2010."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10791249/LibDems-told-to-expect-to-lose-all-MEPs-in-Euro-elections-bloodbath.html

If this turns out to be the case surely Clegg will be in no position to carry on as leader of the LimpDumbs and a General Election will be the outcome?

Or maybe im just desperate for Ed Balls to be in charge of the nations finances.

moral of the story here really is.

don't try to be all things to all people.

grow a pair.

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The wider LibDems became the party for people who did not like chinless wonders + Thatcher, and thought the likes of Mickye Foot were f-cking nuts. Basically, trying for a UK social democratic party.

Unluckily for them, the UK remained too tribal for the idea to get off the ground.

UKIP - well Farage - BSers + nutters to the core, have done the most to break down tribal barriers.

Here's Farage, dressed like the minor public school boy cum Estate Agent he is, reaching across class bondaries:

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/11167650.Nigel_Farage_comes_to_town_to_spread_his_free_trade_and_patriotism_messages/

I don't Labour are the 'left' party now. They are the party for public sector workers/statist tenencies. And that's a bigger problem than being Socialist/leftist.

Pick apart his policies not his dress sense. But maybe he forgot to pack his gravy stained vest that enables him to mix with us Northern monkeys.

LibLabCon voters do seem to be obsessed with Farage, this topics about LibDems!

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The wider LibDems became the party for people who did not like chinless wonders + Thatcher, and thought the likes of Mickye Foot were f-cking nuts. Basically, trying for a UK social democratic party.

Unluckily for them, the UK remained too tribal for the idea to get off the ground.

UKIP - well Farage - BSers + nutters to the core, have done the most to break down tribal barriers.

Here's Farage, dressed like the minor public school boy cum Estate Agent he is, reaching across class bondaries:

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/11167650.Nigel_Farage_comes_to_town_to_spread_his_free_trade_and_patriotism_messages/

I don't Labour are the 'left' party now. They are the party for public sector workers/statist tenencies. And that's a bigger problem than being Socialist/leftist.

Its funny watching Farage turn up, dressed like lord of the manor, more tory than tories, and yet somehow gets working class votes.

The trouble with all the leftwingers like Miliband is he talks like he's never set foot outside of the faculty library. They all sound like patronizing academics and your'e left wondering if he actually has a pair of balls or is indeed human at all. To most people terms like 'social justice' mean being stoned by a rampaging mob

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moral of the story here really is.

don't try to be all things to all people.

grow a pair.

They weren't actually anything to anyone in the end, that was/is their problem.

As out of touch as Dave is at least he's a little street wise, Cleggy boy just hasn't got a clue.

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They weren't actually anything to anyone in the end, that was/is their problem.

The only thing the LibDims really had was reform of the electoral system. And, when they finally got a chance to do something about it, they bottled out.

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The only thing the LibDims really had was reform of the electoral system. And, when they finally got a chance to do something about it, they bottled out.

It was the student fees that decimated the party, they totally folded on that one and quite rightly took the blame.

Vince Cable who prior to the election was HPC's cheerleader looked the other way at Help to Buy 1 and 2, then he just turned into another banksters puppet when selling the Royal Mail at a give away price.

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Politics, until it blows up, is going to be popcorn time for now.

For the libdems, the coalition has been a poisoned chalice; labour are still too tainted for too many to really recover, even ignoring the toxic mix of millibland and balls; the cons are behaving like a steadman cartoon brought to life. UKIP are currently absurd, but an amusing spanner in the works - I'm still wavering myself whether to vote for them and, like many such waverers I suspect, it's purely about putting two fingers up to the big three.

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Sounds like the usual downplaying of expectations.

Given the size of the London and south east regions and their number of MEPs - I think its highly likely they will retain their seats there. So I give them a score of 2. Even the Greens got elected in those areas last time!

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To most people terms like 'social justice' mean being stoned by a rampaging mob

To many I suspect it simply means taking more money from anyone who's got any - and finding more ways to waste much of it.

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I don't think you can sign a pledge on some policy (not just something in the manifesto) then renege on that pledge. As it turns out the tuition fee choice has been poorly thought out; although Milliband's solution - lower fees that even the poor will pay, is effectively cutting tuition fees for the rich.

The moral of the story, if the Economist is heavily in favour of an idea (Enron, Marconi, Invading Iraq, Tuition fees) it is probably a very bad policy.

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Bumping this thread as it's the Euros today, although the results will not be out for a few days.

Polling station was pretty quiet today, no sign of any party representatives, although the lack of simultaneous local elections in my area means it is only a Euro poll.

#2 on UKIP's NW list is Louise Bours, who as a UKIP councillor in Cheshire was instrumental in inviting fellow councillor Brian Silvester to the UKIP fold a year ago after he was expelled from the Conservatives following conviction for numerous fire safety breaches at a property he rents out.

Seems likely she'll be heading to Brussels next week.

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Just returned from the polling booth.

Top spot on the voting paper an outfit called An Independence From Europe....with an OUT logo

Bottom spot of about ten boxes you tick - UKIP.

How many people in a hurry/ pensioners with poor sight.etc are going to put their X on selection number one thinking they are casting a vote for UKIP?

Answer - a great many.

Is this Electoral fraud of some kind?

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I have heard reports that local to me the ballot paper is folded over when you are given it and unless you unfold it you cannot even see the UKIP box.

I quote:

I went to vote this morning and received what I thought was a A4 ballot paper and went to a booth with a triangular shelf only big enough for a a4 paper. I looked on the ballot paper for the party I wanted to vote for but could not find it. then by accident I noticed the ballot paper was folded and 3 parties appeared on the folded bit and the one I wanted to vote for was on it. I am not going to say who the party was, except it was not labour or conservative who no doubt would have complained when the ballot paper was produced.
I am nearly 60 and it is the first time I have taken part in what seems to me a flawed unfair election and hope the parties/candidates effected will complain. please readers in the interest of a fair democratic election complain as well, no matter who you vote for.

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