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Telegraph 23.1.14

'Nearly 90,000 Britons abandoned their Mediterranean dreams in Spain last year, according to new figures.

The ongoing effects of the eurozone crisis, a huge property slump and a rapidly shrinking job market have contributed to the exodus, reducing Spain's total population for the second year running.

Town hall registers across the country recorded a steep drop in Britons, falling 23 per cent from 385,179 on Jan 1 last year to 297,229 at the end of December.

Other European expatriates are also taking their leave – the registered German population fell by 23.6 per cent to 138,917 and the French population by 12.7 per cent to just over 100,000. The only nationality to increase their presence in Spain were the Chinese.

Jackie Miles, 48, is among British expatriates who has abandoned Spain in the last year when she moved with her husband and two children to Dubai.

"We had been in Spain for 13 years and loved it, but like many other British people we had to find work and it just wasn't possible any longer in our part of Andalusia," she said.

The couple had moved out to Mojacar in southern Spain 13 years ago where Mr Kirby ran an estate agency and his wife owned a gym. "As the crisis continued, the estate agency business dried up and the gym, which did very well for many years, became harder to run at a profit."

Maura Hillen, the chairman of AUAN, a pressure group based in Almeria province that campaigns for the rights of British home owners caught up in a property scandal, said: "Many people no longer wish to stay in Spain because of the never-ending fight to legalise their properties.

"There is a wider trend of Britons leaving. People who retired out here in their 50s and 60s have seen their circumstances change. Advancing age, losing a partner, and the rise in the cost of living make life here less attractive."

Although town hall records show those officially registered, the British embassy in Madrid estimates as many as 800,000 Britons reside for at least part of the year in Spain.

While the total population of native Spaniards crept up by 141,361 people, the departure of immigrants saw the total resident in Spain slide from 47,129,783 to 46,725,164.

Analysts suggested the increase in Spanish citizens could not be accounted for by birth rate alone but was probably boosted by the naturalisation of those immigrants who had resided in Spain for a certain amount of time.

According to official statistics Britons remain the second largest EU expatriate community in Spain after Romanians.'

Posted by Venger in the Big Spanish thread.Felt it deserves a thread of it's own.

I met an old pal the other day who'd come home,mainly for the NHS.Said it took two years to sell his house and that there was real trouble for Brits trying to find work/make a living running bars/restaurants.

Interesting that German numbers are down too.I wonder why that's occuring?

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Interesting that German numbers are down too.I wonder why that's occuring?

Few new Germans going to Spain and older German retirees coming home? Spain still seems quite attractive for the French which is shown by the figures. The culture is maybe closer? France has not seen a property slump so remains expensive (unaffordable in cities) and people have been attracted to Spain to buy a cheap property and maybe work (the work situation in France is not great) - that is according to a TV programme called Capital.

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and yet tourism is supposed to be booming there...I guess they are now going all inclusive or making sandwiches rather than going to brit bars and clubs

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Buy high, sell low.

No No No....Buy High in London...sell even higher....prices in London only ever go up...it's different this time...it's a new paradigm...everybody wins.

:rolleyes:

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Maybe the strong pound will see some return.

Buying seemed like lunacy in the main, especially if dependent on low budget flights to provincial airfields which can make an already remote place more like the end of the earth at one stroke of O'Leary's pen.

I'm with you on that, too many saw those awful ( in my opinion ) "move abroad" shows ( "estate agents" shows more like ) and thought it would be glorious. They'd have been more sensible renting their houses out here and renting abroad. At least they'd be able to move as they wished. Home ownership is truely a weight round your neck when it comes to selling in a realistic market.

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Scandinavians are buying up everything around us, low prices yes seem to have bottomed out this year though the cost of living for them is a real bonanza in Spain ,main trouble is they are much like us like a few drinks football and eating out so lots of bars are catering for them pushing out the skint non oap Brits, who above all else are scared of the Spanish health system or lets say scared of having to pay for treatment so are returning to freebie England.

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Maybe the strong pound will see some return.

Buying seemed like lunacy in the main, especially if dependent on low budget flights to provincial airfields which can make an already remote place more like the end of the earth at one stroke of O'Leary's pen.

Even if I (for whatever reason) really wanted to buy, the tales of people having their homes demolished would put me off.

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Many of these buyers were also taking on additional currency risk, with little or no hope of improving their income if exchange rates went against them.

Basically everything in the fixed income retirement "don't do" list is covered by some of those buying abroad.

Buy in haste, repent at leisure.

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That's 90,000 addtitional people looking for somewhere to live in Britain .. probably mostly in England.

Upward pressure on property prices not to mention raising the bill for healthcare and social services.

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That's 90,000 addtitional people looking for somewhere to live in Britain .. probably mostly in England.

Upward pressure on property prices not to mention raising the bill for healthcare and social services.

And they'll be loaded after selling the Spanish gaff at a huge HPI... oh, wait...

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That's 90,000 addtitional people looking for somewhere to live in Britain .. probably mostly in England.

Upward pressure on property prices not to mention raising the bill for healthcare and social services.

All of whom show up as "immigrants" on the numbers.

God help us if we ever do leave the EU and all the other coffin dodgers come home :D

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and yet tourism is supposed to be booming there...I guess they are now going all inclusive or making sandwiches rather than going to brit bars and clubs

The Scandinavians are buying, the Chinese (with a certain amount of money to invest)are moving in to live and do business, more Japanese and Americans tourists.

Many Brits that were working are moving back home, quite a few elderly retireds want to move home but until they find a buyer are holding out or abandoning......lots of Brits who want to move out to live are renting property rather than buying, but lots of Brits are using exising Brits property for their family holidays rather than taking a package or using a hotel...... ;)

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Any decent examples of what us currently in the UK can buy over there in a nice coastal area?

On my other computer - if I can bring it back to life with a new graphics card - I've got the name and law firm details of a real-estate solicitor the Tonight show (or similar) sought guidance from about buying property in Spain.

Made a note of it because the segment made it clear how important it was to get good advice and capable handling of the entire buying process.

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Any decent examples of what us currently in the UK can buy over there in a nice coastal area?

We rent a house identical in layout and on the same development in Nerja quite often, and they're nice. E150,000 is approaching the price at which I would be very tempted. No idea what I'd do for a living though!

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/overseas-property/property-42949772.html

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I do the majority of my work online so as long as an internet connection is good I can set up pretty much anywhere however uprooting the rest of the family (wife & kids) might be a little more difficult :rolleyes: Healthcare, specifically the much maligned NHS is such an invaluable resource for us Brits though and something you really appreciate the moment you need hospital treatment abroad!

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Any decent examples of what us currently in the UK can buy over there in a nice coastal area?

Andy I have a holiday home in La Mata on the Costa Blanca coast, around us you could buy a decent furnished 2 bed apartment for around 90000 euros or a semi /quad type for 105000 euro, these are down around 30/40% from a few years back and seem to have held these prices for a year or so now due in the main to Scandinavians buying up coastal property's. In land around Quasada Los Montesinous etc decent apartments go for around 60000 euro due to the Scandinavians not being keen on in land housing. Dont chase the ones that are highlighted at 40000 by the media as they are usually in bad areas or have issues.

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Often wondered whether it is entirely necessary to buy a property abroad. You can rent pretty cheap in most club med countries and, if things don't work out, just walk away. Renting out in UK will easily cover your holiday home and provide a useful income.

Healthcare is an issue in a few places. For a start there is language - unless you are fairly proficient a local doctor will be reluctant to take you on. It is also true that many places don't really want to know about the European Health Insurance Card. Unlike the NHS, you'll have to pay up front and claim back later . . . but good luck with that. So be prepared for a little health tourism.

There is a lot to be said for retiring abroad . . . the cost of living in UK now is truly absurd. But there are many better choices these days than Spain.

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Often wondered whether it is entirely necessary to buy a property abroad. You can rent pretty cheap in most club med countries and, if things don't work out, just walk away. Renting out in UK will easily cover your holiday home and provide a useful income.

if you live there your whole life, never intend to move adn the prices are sane then yes.

If you want to use it as a holiday home a couple of times a year, then unless you are rich, No. The upkeep costs more than a decent holiday.

Same thing with boats and over-priced local housing. Rent, don't buy.

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90,000? You ain't seen nothing yet. Wait and see what happens if the UK leaves the EU. 2.2million Brits live in the EU, what do you think that will do to housing and public services if they are forced into returning to the UK?

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90,000? You ain't seen nothing yet. Wait and see what happens if the UK leaves the EU. 2.2million Brits live in the EU, what do you think that will do to housing and public services if they are forced into returning to the UK?

wot, no expats outside the EU...Im stunned.

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The prodigal children.......feast and be merry in the Med and come home for welfare, housing and the NHS when the dosh runs out. The fatted calf awaits.

Edited by crashmonitor

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The prodigal children.......feast and be merry in the Med and come home for welfare, housing and the NHS when the dosh runs out. The fatted calf awaits.

I must be the rather annoyed sibling because as far as I am concerned the prodigal children can **** off.

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You only have to pay for health if you are not working legally in Spain. If you have a legal contract and therefore are making social security contributions then the health service is free and excellent. It is at least as good as the NHS, probably better

I have been working remotely with an internet connection from all over Spain since I was 27 - 7 years ago. Still working off my London contacts. Saved a lot of money on the way, got married and have children.

The lifestyle here is absolutely incredible on a London salary. I can't believe that more people don't do this!

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