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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2608857/Children-blocked-watching-online-porn-new-laws-forcing-websites-proof-users-aged-18.html

People who want to watch pornography will have to prove they are 18 under new Government proposals to stem children's exposure to online sex.

New laws are being drawn up that will force adults to prove their age with credit card details or other documents before they can access porn sites.

The Department for Culture, Media and Sport is also looking at ways to force overseas providers, such as the popular Luxembourg-based site Pornhub, to adopt similar controls.

A statement from the Department for Culture, Media and Sport, said: 'We are legislating to put R18 material that can only be sold in licensed sex shops behind access controls on video-on demand services.

Hard to see how this is going to work if the sites aren't based in the UK how are you going to force them to comply? I think we have far bigger problems than this to deal with.

Perhaps all ISP's will act as guardians to these sites and for them to forward on your page request you'll have to supply your credit card details to them?

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It's all Ok, you can download "ripped" porn for nothing! :blink:

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Prepaid debit card?

For a while HPC failed the pr0n block on the Orange network. Must have been during 'off topics' racier days. :)

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Prepaid debit card?

For a while HPC failed the pr0n block on the Orange network. Must have been during 'off topics' racier days. :)

I think that will be the problem, that so many everyday websites like Youtube will be blocked that everyone will immediately just get the computer unblocked.

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I'm a freedom-of-speech sort of erson but I have come across some alrming stuff about the effects of online porn.

I recently listened to a radio interview on gnosticmedia.com and there was a discussion with the man who runs a website caled yourbrainonporn.com.

What happens when you drop a male rat into a cage with a receptive female rat? First, you see a frenzy of copulation. Then, progressively, the male tires of that particular female. Even if she wants more, he has had enough. However, replace the original female with a fresh one, and the male immediately revives and gallantly struggles to fertilize her.

You can repeat this process with fresh females until he is completely wiped out.

This is called the Coolidge effect—the automatic response to novel mates. It’s what started you down the road to getting hooked on Internet porn.

Like that lab rat, you have a primitive mechanism in your brain urging you to fertilize the two-dimensional females, males (or whatever) on your screen. (Note: The Coolidge effect also occurs in females. Studies show that, when given the opportunity, human females are just as promiscuous as males.)

Primitive circuits in your brain govern emotions, drives, impulses, and subconscious decision-making. They do their jobs so efficiently that evolution hasn't seen the need to change them much since before humans were humans.

More dopamine, please

For you, rats, and all mammals, the desire and motivation to pursue sex arises from a neurochemical called dopamine. Dopamine amps up the centerpiece of the primitive part of the brain—the reward circuitry. It’s where we experience cravings and pleasure, and where we get addicted.

The ancient reward circuitry compels you to do things that further your survival and pass on your genes. At the top of our human reward list are food, sex, love, friendship, and novelty. These are called ‘natural reinforcers,’ as contrasted with addictive chemicals.

The evolutionary purpose of dopamine is to motivate you to do what serves your genes. The bigger the squirt the more you want something. No dopamine and you just ignore it. Chocolate cake and ice cream—a big blast. Celery—not so much. Sexual stimulation and orgasm are the biggest natural blast of dopamine available to your reward circuitry. One of dopamine's nicknames is the "molecule of addiction."

Although dopamine may be referred to as the "pleasure molecule," this may not be technically accurate. Dopamine is all about seeking and searching for rewards, the anticipation - it's our motivation and drive to pursue potential rewards or long term goals. Although controversial, it appears that the final reward or good feelings arises from opioids. Dopamine is wanting, opioids are liking.

As psychologist Susan Weinschenk explained in a 2009 article, the neurotransmitter dopamine does not cause people to experience pleasure, but rather causes a seeking behavior. “Dopamine causes us to want, desire, seek out, and search,” she wrote. It is the opioid system that causes one to feel pleasure. Yet, “the dopamine system is stronger than the opioid system,” she explained. “We seek more than we are satisfied.” Addiction may be thought of as wanting run amok.

Novelty, novelty, more novelty

Dopamine surges for novelty. A new car, just-released movie, the latest gadget…we are all hooked on dopamine. As with everything new the thrill fades away as dopamine plummets.

Here’s how the Coolidge effect works: The rat’s reward circuitry is squirting less and less dopamine with respect to the current female, but produces a big dopamine surge for a new female. Does that sound familiar?

arousal2edited.jpgNot surprisingly, rats and humans aren't that different when it comes to response to novel sexual stimuli. For example, when Australian researchers (graph) displayed the same erotic film repeatedly, test subjects' penises and subjective reports both revealed a progressive decrease in sexual arousal. The "same old same old" just gets boring. Habituation indicates declining dopamine.

After 18 viewings—just as the test subjects were nodding off—researchers introduced novel erotica for the 19th and 20th viewings. Bingo! The subjects and their penises sprang to attention. (Yes, women showed similar effects.)

Internet porn is especially enticing to the reward circuitry because novelty is always just a click away. It could be a novel “mate,” unusual scene, strange sexual act, or—you fill in the blank. With multiple tabs open and clicking for hours, you can experience more novel sex partners every ten minutes than our hunter-gatherer ancestors experienced in a lifetime. Internet porn is what scientists call a supernormal stimulus.

What’s a brain to do when it has unlimited access to a super-stimulating reward it never evolved to handle? Some brains eventually adapt, which can lead to addiction-related brain changes or sexual conditioning. Research confirms anticipation of reward and novelty amplify one another to increase excitement and rewire the limbic brain.

I can't emphasize this enough: Internet porn addiction is not a "sex addiction" - it's an Internet addiction. Although masturbation is often involved, this is an addiction to novel pixels on a screen.

http://yourbrainonporn.com/doing-what-you-evolved-to-do

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Huge boost for the pron industry.
Once you've put a card in you'll find it a lot harder to remove it. And then all the snidey stuff that'll be invented to take advantage of this.

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So what the government really hate is 'free' porn.

If it is monetised then you can watch all you want.

Says all you need to know about our rulers values.

Perhaps all ISP's will act as guardians to these sites and for them to forward on your page request you'll have to supply your credit card details to them?

Well the ISPs know who is paying for the connection already for billing purposes so why would you need a second set of details

I would have thought the quickest way to ween people off porn would be to force them to watch it

They would soon realise that 99.9999% of it is boring, repetitive, derivative, unimaginative, yawn inducing mechanistic rubbish based on a tick box analysis of human sexuality. If it is novelty you want then a porn site is the last place to look for it.

I dont think banning it will change human behaviour one iota since the origin of sexual impulses is the human brain and body not the computer network or the web site

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I'm a freedom-of-speech sort of erson but I have come across some alrming stuff about the effects of online porn.

I recently listened to a radio interview on gnosticmedia.com and there was a discussion with the man who runs a website caled yourbrainonporn.com.

http://yourbrainonporn.com/doing-what-you-evolved-to-do

Freedom of speech sort of person here too but in this instance I agree with some limitations being put on who can get access to pron. I have come across young people (under 12 in some instances) who regularly, compulsively watch pron. Not just vanilla stuff either. Some of these children are viewing hard core BDSM, violent rapes and their brains are continuously looking for the next hit. The next hit search pushes them into more and more extreme stuff. Heaven only knows where it will end. The problem is only with internet pron not with dvds, video or magazines.

I agree that adults having to register or sign up to watch pron is a privacy intrusion, however it's the lesser of two evils IMHO.

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Freedom of speech sort of person here too but in this instance I agree with some limitations being put on who can get access to pron. I have come across young people (under 12 in some instances) who regularly, compulsively watch pron. Not just vanilla stuff either. Some of these children are viewing hard core BDSM, violent rapes and their brains are continuously looking for the next hit. The next hit search pushes them into more and more extreme stuff. Heaven only knows where it will end. The problem is only with internet pron not with dvds, video or magazines.

I agree that adults having to register or sign up to watch pron is a privacy intrusion, however it's the lesser of two evils IMHO.

Can your nephew please give Uncle Pin's films back please? :blink:

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It has been illegal to download copyrighted material for as long as the internet has been available, and government/regulators have tried really hard to stop people doing so, yet it is still laughably simple to download films, music, TV shows, games, etc etc.

Why should they have any more success stopping people watching pr0n?

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Freedom of speech sort of person here too but in this instance I agree with some limitations being put on who can get access to pron. I have come across young people (under 12 in some instances) who regularly, compulsively watch pron. Not just vanilla stuff either. Some of these children are viewing hard core BDSM, violent rapes and their brains are continuously looking for the next hit. The next hit search pushes them into more and more extreme stuff. Heaven only knows where it will end. The problem is only with internet pron not with dvds, video or magazines.

I agree that adults having to register or sign up to watch pron is a privacy intrusion, however it's the lesser of two evils IMHO.

As a kid in the 1960s I watched the BBCs magisterial documentary on the Great War

The opening titles had a rostrum camera panning down a photograph of a wall of a trench and stopping on a corpse whose leg had been blown off and whose half rotted hand was slung across a face that had decomposed into a grinning skull. Each weeks episode was liberally lillustrated with shots of dead bodies, sometime grossly mutilated and often being piled into heaps. This was not some sort of BSDM play acting. These people were really dead. None of what I saw made me want to rush out and join the army or to start World War 3

BTW you can still see the photo on the BBC schools web site

http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/worldwarone/hq/wfront1_02.shtml

The shot of the the VC suspect having his brains blown out by a south Vitenamese military policeman on prime time TV during the Vietnam war was pretty gross too and that is still widely available for viewing on mainstream internet sites for those with a taste for snuff movies. In fact I expect you can find as much to turn your stomach on Youtube and a lot of other uploading sites as you can on most of the coma inducing Porn sites.

The problem is that a lot of real life is X certificate rated and sadly many kids do not have to wait to grow up in order to experience it regardless of whether they have unrestricted access to the internet or not.

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But then you would have less time to post on here Mr Pin. ;)

I don't think watching a bit of "rumpy pumpy" will pervert a 12 year old! :mellow:

I haven't been in the porn industry for some time! :blink:

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I thought they were doing this as opt out through the ISPs?

That seemed a sensible way to handle it rather than encouraging people (ok, men) to hand out their credit card details left right and centre.

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I don't think watching a bit of "rumpy pumpy" will pervert a 12 year old! :mellow:

I haven't been in the porn industry for some time! :blink:

But the point yourbrainonporn.com makes is that internet porn is qualitatively different from old girlie mags or dvds. It allows endless novelty and generates a condition of the brain whereby relationships with real persons becomes impossible.

And the ironic thing is that the older you are, the longer the recovery time for internet-generated erectile dysfunction is briefer. On the other hand, the younger you are, the longer it takes.

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I'm a freedom-of-speech sort of erson but I have come across some alrming stuff about the effects of online porn.

I recently listened to a radio interview on gnosticmedia.com and there was a discussion with the man who runs a website caled yourbrainonporn.com.

http://yourbrainonporn.com/doing-what-you-evolved-to-do

Interesting but I'll guess not everyone is suspectible to this effect. If we were we'd all be porn addicts.

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Interesting but I'll guess not everyone is suspectible to this effect. If we were we'd all be porn addicts.

So you are admitting to online porn 'use'? :P

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Thanks to ZenMate I browse the web from Switzerland or Germany or the U.K. I am not actually in any of them.Local ISPs only have control of what you see if you let them.

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