Bastille Pompeii

[okaycuckoo]

I missed this one - a song released early last year by an English band.

The reason I put it in the main forum is that we're generally concerned about capture-by-debt, and this seems to show the young uns' realisation they've just been shut out. Clever thing is it's a big joke about being in Pompeii during the eruption.

The lyrics despair over the effects of what this forum thinks is the financialised confiscation of wealth, and the video has some interesting images, particularly the final frame over the eco future. Prospects not good.

Also there's a touch of the '80s to it, and maybe it ties in with the recent promotion of English traditional music. Just wondering if self-expression amongst the shut-out is recycling common stuff.

Hope the new skin allows youtube embed (3:58) ...

Edited April 18, 2014 by okaycuckoo

[renting til I die]

I've got my eyes open and it still almost feels like nothing has changed at all!

[okaycuckoo]

I've got my eyes open and it still almost feels like nothing has changed at all! :PI

I've got my head up my ass and I see plenty of activity. I just don't know what these youngs persons are complaining about.

[oracle]

frankly I am getting rather fed up with the brainwashing lyrics.

it would seem the real deal was playing this game 20 odd years ago, and not many people noticed.

....fwiw the lyrics and the tunes were much better quality too

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDYQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dvt82hXYNr_4&ei=Z6FSU6fJGY3sO9a0gcAC&usg=AFQjCNHWQxgZvTM_WkGXI9Gedo-C7mepeA&bvm=bv.65058239,d.ZWU

or would you prefer elvis costello

...olivers army is totally about ww3(now starting to play out)

...don't stop me talking..I could talk all night.

....ie facebook,twitter and loose lips sinking ships.(or snitch culture developing, which was part of the plan)

one more widow, one less white ****** is obama.

....now lets have a bit of tom's diner by suzanne vega

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDwQtwIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DFLP6QluMlrg&ei=-6JSU77XJYfaPLLkgdgC&usg=AFQjCNHCIjFfQs5uiYHYAbdQW51inWhI4A&bvm=bv.65058239,d.ZWU

whether we like it or not, it is our job to stop this.

jfk was right, there IS a clandestine faction of people who want to reconstruct the world according to basically fascist principles.

even hitler said as much, that there would be one with the same ideas as him after the bolshevists.

...so you see even the communists are being played to create this "singularity"...communism evil as it is.

...neo-fascism is the real demon .

Edited April 19, 2014 by oracle

[long time lurking]

Think they were right

Edited April 19, 2014 by long time lurking

[samtheman]

Think they were right

Politically this country is going to change massively within just a decade or two. As has already been pointed out a fair bit in the elections, the voters who will carry the balance of power in the next general elections may well be the poorer renters rather than the richer property owners.

As someone who narrowly missed being young/a student during the financial crisis, I despair for anyone arriving in adulthood now.

The established middle-class has completely shafted the young, not because of any "moral principles" but simply because they could get away with it i.e. "we don't want to fund higher education anymore and don't care what you think: what are you going to do about it anyway?"

Rarely is it mentioned that the young generation are the people who will allow the middle class to keep their lifestyle, who will keep their country running, while they are working but also when they can no longer contribute to it as much.

It's fairly obvious that most voters are fairly comfortable with the idea of helping out pensioners, of allowing them to have living standards that are not too different to what they were accustomed with while working.

I'd honestly worry if I were in my 50s approaching pension age...it's not going to be pretty. There's this general feeling of "I've amassed all this money and property so I'm clearly untouchable and don't need to depend on anyone.". I've heard that idea/attitude many times when history has proven them wrong many times.

I say "a decade or two" as many younger voters who have middle class parents still believe that they have every chance of staying in that socioeconomic category and still have optimistic expectations.

Edited April 19, 2014 by samtheman

[okaycuckoo]

Politically this country is going to change massively within just a decade or two. As has already been pointed out a fair bit in the elections, the voters who will carry the balance of power in the next general elections may well be the poorer renters rather than the richer property owners.

As someone who narrowly missed being young/a student during the financial crisis, I despair for anyone arriving in adulthood now.

The established middle-class has completely shafted the young, not because of any "moral principles" but simply because they could get away with it i.e. "we don't want to fund higher education anymore and don't care what you think: what are you going to do about it anyway?"

Rarely is it mentioned that the young generation are the people who will allow the middle class to keep their lifestyle, who will keep their country running, while they are working but also when they can no longer contribute to it as much.

It's fairly obvious that most voters are fairly comfortable with the idea of helping out pensioners, of allowing them to have living standards that are not too different to what they were accustomed with while working.

I'd honestly worry if I were in my 50s approaching pension age...it's not going to be pretty. There's this general feeling of "I've amassed all this money and property so I'm clearly untouchable and don't need to depend on anyone.". I've heard that idea/attitude many times when history has proven them wrong many times.

I say "a decade or two" as many younger voters who have middle class parents still believe that they have every chance of staying in that socioeconomic category and still have optimistic expectations.

Mmm. But judging by the glorification of the corporation that's going on, particularly in legal areas, it's hard to see this as the late stage of the system. They fully expect to secure their gains, no resistance tolerated. Whatever siginificance democratic voting has now, it will have less within the period you're talking about.

[oracle]

yes, they do fuly expect to secure their gains.

and for a very short time they will(so yes expect false flag terrorism to be the trigger for this)

..but after said short time(and it will be very short), like 6 months.there will be a massive uprising..starting in the USA/canada and spreading.

...and then ALL of them will be hunted down and exterminated.

[wherebee]

yes, they do fuly expect to secure their gains.

and for a very short time they will(so yes expect false flag terrorism to be the trigger for this)

..but after said short time(and it will be very short), like 6 months.there will be a massive uprising..starting in the USA/canada and spreading.

...and then ALL of them will be hunted down and exterminated.

Wrong. The masses are not clever, or organised. Look at most of Asia - masses in poverty, a small element of rich. When mass uprisings occur, they are not aimed at those in the asset rich areas, but those in government/authority.

That said, I do expect those now 45-55 to have a very crappy retirement as the masses will not care if they are in poverty. I expect to get zero pension from any of my UK pension funds by the time I retire.

[samtheman]

Mmm. But judging by the glorification of the corporation that's going on, particularly in legal areas, it's hard to see this as the late stage of the system. They fully expect to secure their gains, no resistance tolerated. Whatever siginificance democratic voting has now, it will have less within the period you're talking about.

I was not referring to any potential revolution against the corporate world simply that we are heading towards huge social imbalance.Many, especially older Conservative voters have grown accustomed to the idea that personal wealth is something that you simply accumulate (even if it is at the expense of others) and that it is always secure and that you don't need to worry about the rest of society because you've managed to get what you wanted out of this country and owe it nothing in return (you paid taxes after all, right?)

It does not take a genius to understand that our livelihoods and living standards depend on far more than what is in our bank accounts and that even those bank accounts are not secure: it's not necessary to imagine extreme revolution and other images that excite people (and so are often used in the media) but simply measures that will penalise owners of capital or savers, relative to others.

[oracle]

and the progressives feel it is equally their right to steal from people that earned the money and goods through innovation and hard work, and give to those that want it(not necessarily need it).

in fact, progressivism is infantile.

even if the whole world went completely communist, and somebody decided in the spirit of benevolence that every man woman and child on the planet would be given 100 square meters of the planet( that's fair isn't it?)

you would find:

some would be sitting on springs and fresh water supplies

some would be sitting on rich veins of gold

some would have prime arable crop land

some would be sitting on nothing more than a pile of sand.

aah, but that's not fair is it?

some would be sitting on piles of sand that contained oil...but not have the intellectual knowhow to develop it

it's really the knowhow bit that is important.....and in ALL communist countries, the lack of incentive to better yourself is killed....and so it actually kills the community as a whole.

(actually corporatism does exactly the same because it is also monopolised and only the "top" get the benefits...so there is some justification in saying that excessive lobby groups and legal tinkering to obtain resources dishonestly is every bit as bad)

you have to give people a reasonable profit for their efforts.

just look at the condition of many of these BTL slums.....the landlords want to maximise profit so don't maintain properly

the tenants have no stake in the project so don't feel the obligation to maintain them either.

...communism was actually tried by the founding fathers of the USA when they first landed there.

and they nearly starved.

Edited April 20, 2014 by oracle