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So far most shocked about the advertisement for the 'Post Office Property Challenge' during the show, where they help some identikit family (no doubt hard-working, of course) find their ideal property...probably using one of their own fabulous mortgage deals.

Amanda Lamb is the advert's eye candy (who I do have a bit of a soft spot for) but I seem to recall her a few months back saying something along the lines of how unaffordable housing has/will become. Which possibly makes her the biggest hypocrite ever.

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Also, the hyper-sceptical part of me wonders if this programme is just social conditioning - I.e. 'Listen up everyone, it's too expensive for you scum in the rich south. Move to the North. We understand how hard it is for you...but we're not going to do anything to help you so just move like everyone else has to.' Or something along those lines...

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At the same time this programme is a pathetic indictment to how dependent people are on housing benefit, council houses etc. Yet everyone persists in thinking HPI is a good thing.

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So far most shocked about the advertisement for the 'Post Office Property Challenge' during the show, where they help some identikit family (no doubt hard-working, of course) find their ideal property...probably using one of their own fabulous mortgage deals.

Amanda Lamb is the advert's eye candy (who I do have a bit of a soft spot for) but I seem to recall her a few months back saying something along the lines of how unaffordable housing has/will become. Which possibly makes her the biggest hypocrite ever.

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Im all for council housing being built en-masse for "working" working class people, but not this scum.

These people are all useless parasites, the scrounging crackhead would be better off being funded a one way trip to Dignitas and the parents are a perfect example of why people ought to be neutered.

Even if house prices were at 1995 levels this lot would be on the scrounge.

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Also, the hyper-sceptical part of me wonders if this programme is just social conditioning - I.e. 'Listen up everyone, it's too expensive for you scum in the rich south. Move to the North. We understand how hard it is for you...but we're not going to do anything to help you so just move like everyone else has to.' Or something along those lines...

What is new is the entitlement idea - I can't think of ANY period of history where a single woman with 4 children was a viable unit - where it happened (war, widowhood etc..) it was family, or the parish providing only a bare minimum. Hasn't that girl Billie ever heard of contraception?? OK, twins are an unexpected problem but that's still three birth events in eight years to be subsidised by the state.

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Don't usually watch these things, but I did see this.

There weren't any needy people on the programme.

A 30 year old who would like to move out from her parents home, but despite being 30, has only made it to "teaching assistant" in her career. Try working a bit harder and maybe becoming a teacher? Need 0 out of 10.

A couple with 4 kids neither of them working. Need 0 out of 10.

A single mother of three kids entirely reliant on the State. Implies no maintenance payments from the father(s). Has family. Need 0 out of 10.

An ex-crackhead who hasn't worked in years and has no intention of doing so. Need 0 out of 10.

Absolutely staggering sums of money being handed out to these people some of who, especially the latter, seem to think that The State/Society/Somebody Else owes them a roof over their heads.

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What is new is the entitlement idea - I can't think of ANY period of history where a single woman with 4 children was a viable unit - where it happened (war, widowhood etc..) it was family, or the parish providing only a bare minimum. Hasn't that girl Billie ever heard of contraception?? OK, twins are an unexpected problem but that's still three birth events in eight years to be subsidised by the state.

For some, having children is their career...... Not an easy job bringing up children, who is to say the father or fathers are not in the picture somewhere........ Shouldn't they be helping with their kids needs, who is to say they are not. ;)

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Don't usually watch these things, but I did see this.

There weren't any needy people on the programme.

A 30 year old who would like to move out from her parents home, but despite being 30, has only made it to "teaching assistant" in her career. Try working a bit harder and maybe becoming a teacher? Need 0 out of 10.

A couple with 4 kids neither of them working. Need 0 out of 10.

A single mother of three kids entirely reliant on the State. Implies no maintenance payments from the father(s). Has family. Need 0 out of 10.

An ex-crackhead who hasn't worked in years and has no intention of doing so. Need 0 out of 10.

Absolutely staggering sums of money being handed out to these people some of who, especially the latter, seem to think that The State/Society/Somebody Else owes them a roof over their heads.

The state create the policies, the people behave accordingly....... The state decide how much they will pay for rents the rents rise accordingly......... Looking at the prices landlords are asking for not very nice places, why do they think someone working hard all week pay that from their hard earned wages....£1200 a month, they have got to be joking......to be honest if the local authority stops paying the rent, who in their right mind would pay what they are asking from a pay packet. ;)

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A 30 year old who would like to move out from her parents home, but despite being 30, has only made it to "teaching assistant" in her career. Try working a bit harder and maybe becoming a teacher? Need 0 out of 10.

Sabrina gets a minus score from me. I've absolutely no idea why she can't carry on living with her parents or if she wants to move out she could try a flat-share? Or yes, get a better job? So many options and realities here that she's not grasping. She teaches kids?

I'm all for Clement Attlee's socialist vision of housing for those in need, during times of hardship, but this prog is a comedy gold-joke.

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The state create the policies, the people behave accordingly....... The state decide how much they will pay for rents the rents rise accordingly......... Looking at the prices landlords are asking for not very nice places, why do they think someone working hard all week pay that from their hard earned wages....£1200 a month, they have got to be joking......to be honest if the local authority stops paying the rent, who in their right mind would pay what they are asking from a pay packet. ;)

The people featured in the programme are effectively being used to enrich the rentier/landlord class making *everyone* else, apart from the feckless, poorer.

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The people featured in the programme are effectively being used to enrich the rentier/landlord class making *everyone* else, apart from the feckless, poorer.

Yes the rents are quite extortionate for total hovels. You wouldn't want one of these places if you were working and could afford it.

Can see a need maybe for feckless single mum hostels/HMO's, where they can share child minding responsibilties while some look for jobs.

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Sabrina gets a minus score from me. I've absolutely no idea why she can't carry on living with her parents or if she wants to move out she could try a flat-share? Or yes, get a better job? So many options and realities here that she's not grasping. She teaches kids?

I disagree with that, she was the only person on the show I had sympathy for. Didn't get knocked up, actually working, years on the list and when she gets a chance couldn't afford it anyway.

If she quit her job then tower hamlets LHA is £240 PW, she could afford it on the dole but not in work.

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I disagree with that, she was the only person on the show I had sympathy for. Didn't get knocked up, actually working, years on the list and when she gets a chance couldn't afford it anyway.

If she quit her job then tower hamlets LHA is £240 PW, she could afford it on the dole but not in work.

London is full of 30 year olds in privately rented flatshares because that's what they can afford. Why should Sabrina get special treatment?

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I disagree with that, she was the only person on the show I had sympathy for. Didn't get knocked up, actually working, years on the list and when she gets a chance couldn't afford it anyway.

If she quit her job then tower hamlets LHA is £240 PW, she could afford it on the dole but not in work.

Just proves the point that in even the crappy places to live in London the rents are unaffordable for worthy, valued low paid workers....proves the point that policies encourage behaviours. ;)

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London is full of 30 year olds in privately rented flatshares because that's what they can afford. Why should Sabrina get special treatment?

Because council housing was not designed for special interest groups, it was designed for ordinary working people. A fact we seem to have forgotten somewhere along the way.

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I disagree with that, she was the only person on the show I had sympathy for. Didn't get knocked up, actually working, years on the list and when she gets a chance couldn't afford it anyway.

If she quit her job then tower hamlets LHA is £240 PW, she could afford it on the dole but not in work.

Further perverse encouragement for school leavers to start as they mean to go on - if she quit her job now she'd be sanctioned and much worse off than if she'd never worked.

There's a good argument for providing low-cost accommodation for workers ( isn't that how the Guinness Trust / Peabody started? If you need bus drivers to start at 6.00am they've GOT to live locally) but why should someone who has NO realistic prospect of employment (eg the addict bloke) feel entitled to accommodation in Central London? Northampton where it said he went is as appropriate.

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Were some laugh out loud moments when the voice over said something like "the family is having to make a big adjustment moving from Tower Hamlets to Barking" :lol: ..almost as if it were another country and not a few miles up the A13

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The state create the policies, the people behave accordingly.......

True.

However, try and change the policies and the handwringers will do their utmost to call you a fascist or worse. The fact is that fixing this grossly unjust state of affairs will involve hardship.

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Further perverse encouragement for school leavers to start as they mean to go on - if she quit her job now she'd be sanctioned and much worse off than if she'd never worked.

There's a good argument for providing low-cost accommodation for workers ( isn't that how the Guinness Trust / Peabody started? If you need bus drivers to start at 6.00am they've GOT to live locally) but why should someone who has NO realistic prospect of employment (eg the addict bloke) feel entitled to accommodation in Central London? Northampton where it said he went is as appropriate.

I think that's what annoyed me the most.

I would guess that a school teaching assistant position doesn't pay a great deal and having a place of her own might well be out of reach. But then she is 30 and so you'd have thought she'd have got a bit further by now. Make it to teacher and move outside London and I'd guess all things are possible.

We seem to have developed two completely separate societies. One which is supposed to resemble a meritocracy where to some extent you "get back what you put in" and you work towards your goals taking personal responsibility.

And the other, where you absolve yourself of personal responsibility and the State decides what you get like in some Aldous Huxley-esque nightmare.

Had she selected the benefits lifestyle earlier, and had a child, she would potentially have a council flat by now on the curiously worked out basis of "need".

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Because council housing was not designed for special interest groups, it was designed for ordinary working people. A fact we seem to have forgotten somewhere along the way.

I'm perfectly happy for ordinary working people to live in council houses, but they should be paying market rents. Getting a council house shouldn't be like winning a state-run housing raffle where the prize is below market rent for life on taxpayer-owned land. Everybody else has to pay full price, I don't see why council tenants should get special treatment.

P.S. I am aware that in some parts of the UK council rents and market rents are pretty similar, but this is clearly not the case is London.

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