PricedOutNative Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Could have hit a North Korean sub? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossybabe Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Could have hit a North Korean sub? Possibly. More likely a semi-submerged container. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Terrible news. Those poor people and their families. Conflicting reports of people allegedly being told to stay where they were - reminds me of the twin towers. A relative of mine has married a Korean and I was told that the Koreans, like the Japanese, do what they are told. Most being children also I suspect this would have been worse. With it tilting so much what chance to get out though even if you decided to try? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monks Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I realise this is a wild generalisation, but people from that part of the world (although often highly intelligent) don't have much common sense. My parents used to host Japanese businessmen who were attending a local business school / TEFL course, and their naivety / stupity was shocking including: One man standing on his bedroom radiator pipework to open a window, then not telling my parents the pipe had burst until water was running onto their heads whilst eating dinner below. Another going on a group trip to London and each buying a £20 "photo pass" from someone in the street to take photos of Buckingham Palace from the railings. Another going into a womans shoe shop on Manchesters posh King Street to try on some slippers thinking they were for men (the slippers had a rose print design on them, and they had both tried them on and paraded up and down the shop for size - my parents didnt have the heart to tell them their mistake...) I can imagine in this situation, rather than be proactive about saving your own life, a lot would just sit frozen to the spot, waiting for someone to tell them what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interestrateripoff Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 It seems with the numbers given so far there will be a lot of children who have lost their life. Very tragic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PricedOutNative Posted April 16, 2014 Author Share Posted April 16, 2014 Still not much info on the causes; odd that a modern ship would just sink without hitting another ship or rocks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Could have hit a North Korean sub? That would have been an upturned bath pulled by ducks, and probably not on the AIS system! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I realise this is a wild generalisation, but people from that part of the world (although often highly intelligent) don't have much common sense. My parents used to host Japanese businessmen who were attending a local business school / TEFL course, and their naivety / stupity was shocking including: One man standing on his bedroom radiator pipework to open a window, then not telling my parents the pipe had burst until water was running onto their heads whilst eating dinner below. Another going on a group trip to London and each buying a £20 "photo pass" from someone in the street to take photos of Buckingham Palace from the railings. Another going into a womans shoe shop on Manchesters posh King Street to try on some slippers thinking they were for men (the slippers had a rose print design on them, and they had both tried them on and paraded up and down the shop for size - my parents didnt have the heart to tell them their mistake...) I can imagine in this situation, rather than be proactive about saving your own life, a lot would just sit frozen to the spot, waiting for someone to tell them what to do. I don't think the Japanese are as daft as that! the slippers would probably go very nice with his flowery kimono, and decorative Samurai sword! Also he probably didn't need size 12s! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_FaFa!_* Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Captain was one of the first off the ship.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Captain was one of the first off the ship.... You're kidding? Where did you get that from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_FaFa!_* Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 The parents of hundreds of children missing after Wednesday's ferry accident off the coast of South Korea have accused the captain of the vessel of abandoning passengers after it emerged that he and six other crew members were among the first to leave the ship after it started to sink. The captain, Lee Joon-seok, who is reportedly in his 60s, escaped from the 6,835-ton Sewol at about 9:30am on Wednesday, just 40 minutes after the vessel apparently ran aground and started to list severely. Lee, his face hidden by a grey hoodie, told reporters at the coastguard offices that he felt "really sorry for the passengers, victims and their families and am deeply ashamed. I don't know what to say." He had earlier been criticised after he was seen drying wet banknotes on his bed while being interviewed by journalists. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/17/south-korea-disaster-captain-crew-abandoning-passengersWhat a **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Would there have been anything useful he could've done by staying on for longer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turned Out Nice Again Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 from the texts that are emerging, it seems that the vessel listed past 45 degrees and many were too nervous to attempt to climb the incline to safety and stayed put; which is also apparently what they had been advised to do. fatal error, for which, as they were mostly kids, they can hardly be blamed. somebody needs shooting for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Would there have been anything useful he could've done by staying on for longer? Yes! He could have supervised the safe evacuation of the passengers. You can't do that if you're splashing around in the water. That is the reason why the captain should be the last to leave the ship, the safety of the passengers is his responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Yes! He could have supervised the safe evacuation of the passengers. You can't do that if you're splashing around in the water. That is the reason why the captain should be the last to leave the ship, the safety of the passengers is his responsibility. Sounds fine in theory, how could he effectively done that in practice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Sounds fine in theory, how could he effectively done that in practice? Directing the crew to get the passengers on deck and evacuated to lifeboats for a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuG III Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Would there have been anything useful he could've done by staying on for longer? You mean apart from organising the evacuation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Sounds fine in theory, how could he effectively done that in practice? directed orders from the bridge...handed out lifejackets...anything other than jumping off first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 What is there to direct? The crew (should) know what to do in such situations without centralised orders. All he may be able to do is say which plan to follow then not a lot else he could usefully do. I'm playing devil's advocate to an extent here, trying to challenge the assumption that the captain's presence would make much of a difference to anything. It might be that it would but I don't think it can be safely assumed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 What is there to direct? The crew (should) know what to do in such situations without centralised orders. All he may be able to do is say which plan to follow then not a lot else he could usefully do. I'm playing devil's advocate to an extent here, trying to challenge the assumption that the captain's presence would make much of a difference to anything. It might be that it would but I don't think it can be safely assumed. in which case,why have a captain at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turned Out Nice Again Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 What is there to direct? The crew (should) know what to do in such situations without centralised orders. All he may be able to do is say which plan to follow then not a lot else he could usefully do. I'm playing devil's advocate to an extent here, trying to challenge the assumption that the captain's presence would make much of a difference to anything. It might be that it would but I don't think it can be safely assumed. Leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepLurker Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 in which case,why have a captain at all? Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHERWICK Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 I realise this is a wild generalisation, but people from that part of the world (although often highly intelligent) don't have much common sense.My parents used to host Japanese businessmen who were attending a local business school / TEFL course, and their naivety / stupity was shocking including: One man standing on his bedroom radiator pipework to open a window, then not telling my parents the pipe had burst until water was running onto their heads whilst eating dinner below. Another going on a group trip to London and each buying a £20 "photo pass" from someone in the street to take photos of Buckingham Palace from the railings. Another going into a womans shoe shop on Manchesters posh King Street to try on some slippers thinking they were for men (the slippers had a rose print design on them, and they had both tried them on and paraded up and down the shop for size - my parents didnt have the heart to tell them their mistake...) I can imagine in this situation, rather than be proactive about saving your own life, a lot would just sit frozen to the spot, waiting for someone to tell them what to do. I'd definitely do the first bullet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnionTerror Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Much like the captain of the Costa Concordia (who also buggered off sharply once the ship got into trouble), he may well be liable for not helping his passengers, under Maritime law. http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/04/17/did_south_korean_ferry_captain_abandon_ship.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_renting Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Leadership. Sounds like he led by example and got off the ship sharpish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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