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i miss England. a wonderful green place, full of proud people, good people, hard working, innovators. fighters. a fair country, where the shops closed on a Sunday, the shops were diverse and local, where honest men stood and pronounced their values and stuck to them. a place where people stood shoulder to shoulder against German tyranny. a country where families could be traced back to 1066. you could watch a game of football for a couple of quid and get the bus home with the striker. a country where you could feel free. a country if you were sick or needy you would be looked after. a Christian country, where families were precious, where mothers looked after their children. i place where you could buy a decent house for a decent price, a place to buy some land a build a place to live or to invest in a small local business.

by Jove i miss England.

where do i live now...England,sadly.

these were my thoughts today as i walked through northampton two center, where,was far as i could tell, the English were out numbered 5 to 1.

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i miss England. a wonderful green place, full of proud people, good people, hard working, innovators. fighters. a fair country, where the shops closed on a Sunday, the shops were diverse and local, where honest men stood and pronounced their values and stuck to them. a place where people stood shoulder to shoulder against German tyranny. a country where families could be traced back to 1066. you could watch a game of football for a couple of quid and get the bus home with the striker. a country where you could feel free. a country if you were sick or needy you would be looked after. a Christian country, where families were precious, where mothers looked after their children. i place where you could buy a decent house for a decent price, a place to buy some land a build a place to live or to invest in a small local business.

by Jove i miss England.

where do i live now...England,sadly.

these were my thoughts today as i walked through northampton two center, where,was far as i could tell, the English were out numbered 5 to 1.

Go to bed.

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i miss England. a wonderful green place, full of proud people, good people, hard working, innovators. fighters. a fair country, where the shops closed on a Sunday, the shops were diverse and local, where honest men stood and pronounced their values and stuck to them. a place where people stood shoulder to shoulder against German tyranny. a country where families could be traced back to 1066. you could watch a game of football for a couple of quid and get the bus home with the striker. a country where you could feel free. a country if you were sick or needy you would be looked after. a Christian country, where families were precious, where mothers looked after their children. i place where you could buy a decent house for a decent price, a place to buy some land a build a place to live or to invest in a small local business.

by Jove i miss England.

where do i live now...England,sadly.

these were my thoughts today as i walked through northampton two center, where,was far as i could tell, the English were out numbered 5 to 1.

Which era are you yearning for?

Anything outside about 1950-1985 (an amazingly short period when you look at it like that) was pretty sh1t for anyone except the rich and property was as much out of the reach of everyone else as it's becoming now. Major's government, by accident or design, gave everyone another chance, but now the ladders are being pulled up for good.

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Which era are you yearning for?

Anything outside about 1950-1985 (an amazingly short period when you look at it like that) was pretty sh1t for anyone except the rich and property was as much out of the reach of everyone else as it's becoming now. Major's government, by accident or design, gave everyone another chance, but now the ladders are being pulled up for good.

certainly feels that way, doesnt it.

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certainly feels that way, doesnt it.

sadly yes.

the thing is...1% cannot ultimately control 99%. interesting times.

by design or stupidity the last twenty years has destroyed England.

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I miss England too.

When I was 5 years old I used to be able to walk home from school on my own.

When I reached 40 years old I was no longer considered competent to do this. In comes a duty of care system which if you forgot to sign off or didn't extend you working day had you boss jumping on you and putting you on a discipline.

Remember many time trying to text the duty of care system when driving with no chance to pull over and do it.stuck in traffic on motorways the reason I was late in the first place.

Great thing this duty of care thing. It got my back up my bosses back up more stress all round. Care didn't come into it just another stick to hit the worker with no chance to opt out.

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Anything outside about 1950-1985 (an amazingly short period when you look at it like that) was pretty sh1t for anyone except the rich and property was as much out of the reach of everyone else as it's becoming now.

More like 1960-1997, I'd say. All my relatives who grew up in that period have lived much better lives than any kids today are likely to.

As for the OP, come over to Canada. It's far more like the Britain I remember than Britain is ever likely to be again.

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Which era are you yearning for?

Anything outside about 1950-1985 (an amazingly short period when you look at it like that) was pretty sh1t for anyone except the rich and property was as much out of the reach of everyone else as it's becoming now. Major's government, by accident or design, gave everyone another chance, but now the ladders are being pulled up for good.

I sometimes think the same as the OP when I watch some old black and white British films, kitchen sink drama's like "Sunday, Bloody Sunday" with steam trains often whistling past in the back ground and think "what happened to that England?"

Yes I'd say 1945 - 1985, because from 1945 onwards there was a threat of UK becoming a socialist state, many industries were nationalised of course (which suited the owners as many were bankrupt - the State didn't get a good deal at all).

Once the threat of socialism was eradicated, the Unions tamed, and the working class reduced to a weak benefit reliant precariat with the ever present threat of either insourcing or outsourcing (the middle class is next) the elites reverted back to type and brought back all the old rules to suit them.

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Which era are you yearning for?

Anything outside about 1950-1985 (an amazingly short period when you look at it like that) was pretty sh1t for anyone except the rich and property was as much out of the reach of everyone else as it's becoming now. Major's government, by accident or design, gave everyone another chance, but now the ladders are being pulled up for good.

What?

Between 1950 and 1985, home ownership rose nearly doubled. From 35ish% to 60ish%.

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/census/2011-census-analysis/a-century-of-home-ownership-and-renting-in-england-and-wales/short-story-on-housing.html

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these were my thoughts today as i walked through northampton two center, where,was far as i could tell, the English were out numbered 5 to 1.

Welcome to UKIP! :D

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I sometimes think the same as the OP when I watch some old black and white British films, kitchen sink drama's like "Sunday, Bloody Sunday" with steam trains often whistling past in the back ground and think "what happened to that England?"

Yes I'd say 1945 - 1985, because from 1945 onwards there was a threat of UK becoming a socialist state, many industries were nationalised of course (which suited the owners as many were bankrupt - the State didn't get a good deal at all).

Once the threat of socialism was eradicated, the Unions tamed, and the working class reduced to a weak benefit reliant precariat with the ever present threat of either insourcing or outsourcing (the middle class is next) the elites reverted back to type and brought back all the old rules to suit them.

Correct. We are well a long way down a well-thought out and planned road to plutocracy, I have a very wealthy friend who works for some very wealthy and famous people, here's something he wrote to me on the subject:

“That old post-war consensus of a limited redistribution of income and a vague commitment to social mobility went out the window in the 1980‘s. Somewhere along the line the bankers and the corporate classes and, well, people like me, reversed up the arses of the politicians and started pulling all the strings. We rolled back unionisation, we destroyed the working class by exporting their jobs and importing cheap labour and we undermined social mobility by utterly devaluing the education system. We kept you lot quiet by stuffing your mouths with benefits and easy credit and by promoting the dream of celebrity. You can be famous, you can be wealthy, you can escape your shitty council estate, and you don’t even have to work for it, you just have to want it enough. To really, really want it. And just to reinforce that point, every now and then we select some barely talented but viciously ambitious non-entity like ****** **** and use every trick in the marketer’s handbook to speed them up the ladder of fame.

And while you are distracted by the antics of characters like ******, and by your own dreams of celebrity, me and my kind are siphoning ever more power and wealth upwards to ourselves, so that more and more windows of opportunity in your life slam shut, and stay shut. I don’t expect you to understand any of this, but I place it here in the, probably foolish, hope that it might spark in you some understanding of your woefully disadvantaged position in life. Unfortunately, I suspect that you are one of those people who still believes that elections represent a genuinely democratic choice, rather than what they actually are, a reshuffling of pig snouts around the trough. Don’t you see, people like you should be dragging people like me out into the streets and kicking us to death, people like you should be invading the City of London, pulling the bankers and hedge fund managers out of their plush offices and hanging them from lamp posts. Do it. Don’t do it. But if you don’t do it, you’re doomed.”

People tell me that I'm slightly Odd...

Property Prices, Pigs, Politicians and Plutocrats.

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I sometimes think the same as the OP when I watch some old black and white British films, kitchen sink drama's like "Sunday, Bloody Sunday" with steam trains often whistling past in the back ground and think "what happened to that England?"

Yes I'd say 1945 - 1985, because from 1945 onwards there was a threat of UK becoming a socialist state, many industries were nationalised of course (which suited the owners as many were bankrupt - the State didn't get a good deal at all).

Once the threat of socialism was eradicated, the Unions tamed, and the working class reduced to a weak benefit reliant precariat with the ever present threat of either insourcing or outsourcing (the middle class is next) the elites reverted back to type and brought back all the old rules to suit them.

Anything seventies seems a different era to me and after about 1980 we enter the modern era. Could be because I started work in June 1980 and therefore I see a big change that wasn't really there ? But you compare old programmes in say 1975 to 1985 and the changes look big, in the following decades not so much.

I guess you are always most fond of the time you were growing up.........early 70s does it for me.

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these were my thoughts today as i walked through northampton two center, where,was far as i could tell, the English were out numbered 5 to 1.

There are parts of London where the populations are more than 85% non-white.

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Correct. We are well a long way down a well-thought out and planned road to plutocracy, I have a very wealthy friend who works for some very wealthy and famous people, here's something he wrote to me on the subject:

“That old post-war consensus of a limited redistribution of income and a vague commitment to social mobility went out the window in the 1980‘s. Somewhere along the line the bankers and the corporate classes and, well, people like me, reversed up the arses of the politicians and started pulling all the strings. We rolled back unionisation, we destroyed the working class by exporting their jobs and importing cheap labour and we undermined social mobility by utterly devaluing the education system. We kept you lot quiet by stuffing your mouths with benefits and easy credit and by promoting the dream of celebrity. You can be famous, you can be wealthy, you can escape your shitty council estate, and you don’t even have to work for it, you just have to want it enough. To really, really want it. And just to reinforce that point, every now and then we select some barely talented but viciously ambitious non-entity like ****** **** and use every trick in the marketer’s handbook to speed them up the ladder of fame.

And while you are distracted by the antics of characters like ******, and by your own dreams of celebrity, me and my kind are siphoning ever more power and wealth upwards to ourselves, so that more and more windows of opportunity in your life slam shut, and stay shut. I don’t expect you to understand any of this, but I place it here in the, probably foolish, hope that it might spark in you some understanding of your woefully disadvantaged position in life. Unfortunately, I suspect that you are one of those people who still believes that elections represent a genuinely democratic choice, rather than what they actually are, a reshuffling of pig snouts around the trough. Don’t you see, people like you should be dragging people like me out into the streets and kicking us to death, people like you should be invading the City of London, pulling the bankers and hedge fund managers out of their plush offices and hanging them from lamp posts. Do it. Don’t do it. But if you don’t do it, you’re doomed.”

People tell me that I'm slightly Odd...

Property Prices, Pigs, Politicians and Plutocrats.

After writing that to you.... is he still your friend?

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Correct. We are well a long way down a well-thought out and planned road to plutocracy, I have a very wealthy friend who works for some very wealthy and famous people, here's something he wrote to me on the subject:

“That old post-war consensus of a limited redistribution of income and a vague commitment to social mobility went out the window in the 1980‘s. Somewhere along the line the bankers and the corporate classes and, well, people like me, reversed up the arses of the politicians and started pulling all the strings. We rolled back unionisation, we destroyed the working class by exporting their jobs and importing cheap labour and we undermined social mobility by utterly devaluing the education system. We kept you lot quiet by stuffing your mouths with benefits and easy credit and by promoting the dream of celebrity. You can be famous, you can be wealthy, you can escape your shitty council estate, and you don’t even have to work for it, you just have to want it enough. To really, really want it. And just to reinforce that point, every now and then we select some barely talented but viciously ambitious non-entity like ****** **** and use every trick in the marketer’s handbook to speed them up the ladder of fame.

And while you are distracted by the antics of characters like ******, and by your own dreams of celebrity, me and my kind are siphoning ever more power and wealth upwards to ourselves, so that more and more windows of opportunity in your life slam shut, and stay shut. I don’t expect you to understand any of this, but I place it here in the, probably foolish, hope that it might spark in you some understanding of your woefully disadvantaged position in life. Unfortunately, I suspect that you are one of those people who still believes that elections represent a genuinely democratic choice, rather than what they actually are, a reshuffling of pig snouts around the trough. Don’t you see, people like you should be dragging people like me out into the streets and kicking us to death, people like you should be invading the City of London, pulling the bankers and hedge fund managers out of their plush offices and hanging them from lamp posts. Do it. Don’t do it. But if you don’t do it, you’re doomed.”

People tell me that I'm slightly Odd...

Property Prices, Pigs, Politicians and Plutocrats.

oh that bit's coming alright.

one problem with his story though, is it's very "personal" to him.

he doesn't once think of his kids.

and his kids will be paying the price too once he's been kicked to death.

his kids will be on slave gangs rebuilding the country(if they're lucky)

call it karma.

just like the germans will end up in jewish concentration camps

the landed gentry of britain who took the piss will be farmed off to bits of africa and india to work the plantations!

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well, I'm old enough to remember 'old' England. I am even (just) old enough to remember the milkman coming with a horse. :o But I'm not sure I'd want to be back there. Freezing cold houses, no central hearing, banks closed at 3 pm, and you could only easily get cash from your own branch; the yawning awful boredom of Sundays with everything closed, parents just doing the garden or washing the car... I am not religious and or are any of my family, but several friends and I actually went to confirmation classes on early Sunday evenings, far more for something to do and to meet friends and have a laugh, than anything else. And I know people are hard up now, but we never had any spare money for anything. Anything like the cinema or eating out was an extremely rare treat. Even orange squash was strictly for birthday parties only.

And I certainly don't miss the often unthinking deference to any sort of authority, whether deserved or not.

Above all, perhaps, was the vast, yawning chasm of the generation gap. By the time I was in my teens I could not talk to my parents about anything. I did love them, and we mostly got on pretty well, but in so many ways they were on an utterly different planet. I have a far better, closer relationship with my own kids than I ever did with my folks, which is sad because in later years I think they did realise, and regret it.

Of course there are things about modern England I don't particularly care for, but I would not want to go back.

Having said that we have just spent a few days with friends inN Devon, where many aspects of old England seem to be alive and well. Suppliers will actually deliver fairly expensive goods to the house before being paid - 'oh, just drop it in next time you're passing' - among other things. It is a different world from where we live in SW London - but I still can't say I'd want to live there for ever.

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