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The madness of Osborne and Carney's Help To Bubble in full flight.

A shortage of skilled labourers has helped push pay packets for the country's top bricklayers past the £100,000 mark, according to industry experts.

Recruitment firm Deverell Smith and building consultants EC Harris told The Times the recruitment problem was so acute it was threatening to damage efforts to boost housebuilding.

The firms warned that an exodus of labourers in the wake of the financial crisis meant that the construction industry was struggling to recruit enough bricklayers, joiners, stone-fixers and plasterers now the recovery was gathering momentum.

Australia and New Zealand were thought to have been the main beneficiaries of the emigration and EC Harris said that a decline in apprenticeships meant that the void would have to be filled by migrant workers from Eastern Europe.

Demand for construction workers had risen 125% since 2008, the newspaper said, when industry output was largely stopped in its tracks by the credit crunch and resulting recession.

Economic recovery and Government schemes such as Help to Buy, which was launched a year ago, have aided the mortgage market and prompted builders to begin work on their huge land banks to help meet needs for new homes.

But the firms believe problems in the supply chain could undo the boom in property building, with costs rising by up to 7% this year alone.

While the most experienced contract bricklayers are now earning up to £100,000 annually, EC Harris said, material prices were also on the up as manufacturers struggled to recover production.

https://uk.finance.y...-094236294.html

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Cloud cuckoo land ,don`t doubt a few earn that but i know a good few in the building trade most say things have picked up in the last 6 months or so but none say its booming and most say pay is no better than 06/07 and some say it`s less perhaps its just a S/E + London thing which in that case its possible

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Knock on effect for sparkies?

Hopefully.

gotta get me dat monopoly money.

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Cloud cuckoo land ,don`t doubt a few earn that but i know a good few in the building trade most say things have picked up in the last 6 months or so but none say its booming and most say pay is no better than 06/07 and some say it`s less perhaps its just a S/E + London thing which in that case its possible

When we bought our place in August I couldn't get builders, plasterers, kitchen fitters, sparkys ,plumbers to bother with our poxy little renovation job when there was new build to work on. It was a real hassle and in fact the last bit of plumbing was only done last month.

The eastern Europe bit is spot on through, the only reliable guy out of the whole lot was a Polish bloke we got hold of when my wife started chatting to a Polish girl on the checkout in B&W. Did job from start to finish, on time and to budget, not 2 hours on then away to do another job/go down the pub, stringing the work out for weeks.

Guess who and his mates will be getting any future work? That's right not the lazy stuck up white van man 'geezers' in Berkshire who behaved like every small thing was doing us a big favour even to turn up. Toss**ers.

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bricky earns 2K a week for a fortnight

then hes unemployed for 6 weeks.

oh yeah...thats 12K...but while working, at the rate of £100k

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When we bought our place in August I couldn't get builders, plasterers, kitchen fitters, sparkys ,plumbers to bother with our poxy little renovation job when there was new build to work on. It was a real hassle and in fact the last bit of plumbing was only done last month.

The eastern Europe bit is spot on through, the only reliable guy out of the whole lot was a Polish bloke we got hold of when my wife started chatting to a Polish girl on the checkout in B&W. Did job from start to finish, on time and to budget, not 2 hours on then away to do another job/go down the pub, stringing the work out for weeks.

Guess who and his mates will be getting any future work? That's right not the lazy stuck up white van man 'geezers' in Berkshire who behaved like every small thing was doing us a big favour even to turn up. Toss**ers.

Payed in cash no vat receipt

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Passed a Charles Church residential development recently and they were advertising for brickies on a banner with a mobile telhone number.

More brickies = more houses going up. Wahey! B)

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When we bought our place in August I couldn't get builders, plasterers, kitchen fitters, sparkys ,plumbers to bother with our poxy little renovation job when there was new build to work on. It was a real hassle and in fact the last bit of plumbing was only done last month.

The eastern Europe bit is spot on through, the only reliable guy out of the whole lot was a Polish bloke we got hold of when my wife started chatting to a Polish girl on the checkout in B&W. Did job from start to finish, on time and to budget, not 2 hours on then away to do another job/go down the pub, stringing the work out for weeks.

Guess who and his mates will be getting any future work? That's right not the lazy stuck up white van man 'geezers' in Berkshire who behaved like every small thing was doing us a big favour even to turn up. Toss**ers.

Why didn't you just get on and do it yourself?

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How long does it take to train up a good bricky?

I have built a walls for myself. I was very slow doing it. I would say it was something that anybody could do. But to do it fast and look good after takes skill. I don't think I could ever become a brick layer how ever hard I practised.

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I have built a walls for myself. I was very slow doing it. I would say it was something that anybody could do. But to do it fast and look good after takes skill. I don't think I could ever become a brick layer how ever hard I practised.

Yeh my dad used to build walls but it took him ages.

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Yeh my dad used to build walls but it took him ages.

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How long does it take to train up a good bricky?

In North America it's usually 3-4 years to get qualified. I think it's reasonable to assume that someone comes out of that process being reasonably competent but I know that the people who do the really specialist work (e.g. on some of the old Victorian brick buildings with fancy facades that we have in Toronto) mostly have a lot more experience than that.

Having said that, I'm sure someone could do the average Barratt Box with a couple of year's training at most.

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How long does it take to train up a good bricky?

My old man is/was a brickie, it was a 5 year apprenticeship when he trained in the 1950s.

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Cloud cuckoo land ,don`t doubt a few earn that but i know a good few in the building trade most say things have picked up in the last 6 months or so but none say its booming and most say pay is no better than 06/07 and some say it`s less perhaps its just a S/E + London thing which in that case its possible

I know quite a few brickies in SE and day rate on site has actually gone down , 8-10 years ago, brickie £160 a day ish , hoddie/labourer 100

now brickie 120-140 a day , labourer nearly always Eastern European £60-80 a day.

Not to say a top self employed brickie on price work couldn't earn 200-250 a day with a decent gang but they would be working their nuts off.

100k a year is b0ll0x

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Was wondering if it had fed through to price of bricks... all looks like reflating malivestment to me. Help-To-Buy... help to temporarily ramp up brickies wage via buyers overborrowing beyond what normal market will lend them to sometimes pay stupid high price (£280K houses for interior designer and graphic designer couple, first time buyers, house in middle of nowhere). It's the victim buyers who pay for it... until there's no victims left willing to..

And too much misallocation anyway, with older people hogging family homes.

Brick shortage hitting Greater Manchester construction trade

Feb 20, 2014

There have been reports that the price of some bricks rose by 10 per cent in January as a direct result of the shortage – although this varies according to the bricks that are required.

But there is still a long way to go before the quantity of bricks manufactured before the recession is equalled.

The UK brick output for 2013 was around 1.73bn bricks in addition to 100m imported bricks.

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bricky earns 2K a week for a fortnight

then hes unemployed for 6 weeks.

oh yeah...thats 12K...but while working, at the rate of £100k

I knew of a sparks that worked similar to that during the 80's recession. Family man, he had adverts for work while signing on. (Not illegal to look for work while signing on.)

He'd book everything for 1 week in 4 or 5. Then he'd sign off and go for it. 8am-10pm for 7 days if it was a full week. Then he'd sign on again.

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Cloud cuckoo land ,don`t doubt a few earn that but i know a good few in the building trade most say things have picked up in the last 6 months or so but none say its booming and most say pay is no better than 06/07 and some say it`s less perhaps its just a S/E + London thing which in that case its possible

However it will be used as "evidence" of how we need more of those reliable, hard-working Eastern Europeans to come over here. In fact there's already a post in this thread complaining about the lazy Brits vs. those hard working Poles...

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However it will be used as "evidence" of how we need more of those reliable, hard-working Eastern Europeans to come over here. In fact there's already a post in this thread complaining about the lazy Brits vs. those hard working Poles...

Bingo the shitbox builders want some more cheap labour, hence gettting the word about through the press.

The only improvement in the jobs out there are the tools, they continue to improve, the costs of working, the regulations, the travel, congestion, worse than ever.

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Bricklayers are creators of value. The Masons knew this from early on, read about the legend of Hiram Abiff and King Solomons Temple. Of course it was a trade secret many years ago how these builders created these huge buildings.

You take raw materials and make something that is 10x, or 100x more valuable, and the lands around it increase in value. £100K/yr about right.

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